two friends of mine at my club have taken delivery of their 692's and are extremely pleased. both with 32 inch barrels. I had a chance to shoot a round of 5 stand with one of them and the gun handles very nice. great balance and pretty crisp factory trigger. If a mid level over under was in my budget, I would certainly consider a 692.

 

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I have a Prevail III and wanted to change it for a 692. After shooting the 692 I keep my Prevail III. There wasn't enough of a difference to change and pay twice the amount of money.
You can't go wrong with either gun you buy.

 

an overpriced, but very nice and expensive version of the Prevail III.

 

Everyone is saying that, but then the equivalent logic must hold true, the DT-11 is an overpriced nicer version of the 682.

The 692 is more DT-11 than it is SV10.

 

Everyone is saying that, but then the equivalent logic must hold true, the DT-11 is an overpriced nicer version of the 682.

The 692 is more DT-11 than it is SV10.

You need to understand what makes a gun different before stating the above! A DT11 and 692 are far from the same, or even similar designs!

 

Either are the prevail and a 692, or 682 for that matter. The prevail is a fine gun for the money, but spend several sessions with the 692 and you will feel the difference.

 

Everyone is saying that, but then the equivalent logic must hold true, the DT-11 is an overpriced nicer version of the 682.

The 692 is more DT-11 than it is SV10.

You need to understand what makes a gun different before stating the above! A DT11 and 692 are far from the same, or even similar designs!

Are you going to enlighten us or just call nay and provide no facts or details?

I never said the 692 and the DT-11 were the same. I said the 692 is closer to the DT-11 than it is to the SV10. Which is true.

The DT-11 features the new Steelium Pro barrels, and a an almost 19" forcing cone.
The 692 features the Steelium "plus" barrels, which are the same material, with a 14"+ forcing cone.

The SV10 features the older more standard forcing cones at 2.5". So which do you think the barrel is closer to?

The 692 features an additional width in the receiver of 1.3mm, vs. the 3mm in the DT11. The SV10 features comparable receiver widths to all the other model lines.

The 692 features a 3 position adjustable trigger, vs. the multi adjustable for the DT11. The SV10 does not feature an adjustable trigger.

The 692 does not offer the Q-stock or the Kickoff (just like the DT-11) that the SV10 offers, which is also offered on other models.

Then when you get past the meat and potatoes, all the trimmings are similar as well. The 692 features the same recoil pad, offers no receiver engraving or variations (like the others) and no variations in grades of wood.

And not for nothing, the 692 receiver and overall look is nearly identical to the DT-11, the difference being the blue line on the DT-11.

If I could have afforded a DT-11, I would have bought one. But the 692, is intended to bridge the gap between the upper end (DT-11) and the middle (SV10) by offering a gun that's competition and purpose driven, at a much lower price point.

Whether anyone can notice the difference between shooting a 692, a DT-11 or an SV10 is a matter of opinion and perception.

Frankly, I'd be interested in some real scientific data that show pattern, measured recoil, balance points and rotational inertia, etc. Otherwise, it's all subjective and conjecture.

I wasn't trying to say a 692 is equivalent to a DT-11. I'm trying to say that Beretta's intent was to make a gun that's more similar to the DT-11 than the other product lines and that's what they did. The fact that they look nearly the same from across the room speaks for itself.

 

"I said the 692 is closer to the DT-11 than it is to the SV10"

Which is incorrect.
The 692 And SV10 have the same lock up design. The DT11 is completely different in that it has a crossbolt lock up.
Both the 692 and SV have the same ejector system.
The DT 11 is a drop out trigger, again completely different than either the 692 or SV10.

The SV10 and 692 HAVE the SAME width receiver!
The 3mm you quote for the DT11 was the AMOUNT of increase over the previous DT10, which again was a completely different design than the 692!

The 692 and SV has similar dynamics due to their receiver design, where the DT11 is a heavier gun with a different dynamic.
So again from a design comparison the SV and 692 are far more closely similar than a removable trigger, crossbolt lock up DT11!

"And not for nothing, the 692 receiver and overall look is nearly identical to the DT-11,"
Also completely different lock up means perhaps you have never really handled either!

 

In one of the reviews I have read they said the barrel shoulders are larger on the 692 than the SV-10 and therefor they are not interchangeable, replaceable shoulders not with standing, different mono block, different barrels, different Trigger and balancing system. The gun is said by Beretta to be all new with the exception of the 682 Trigger? It may look similar to the SV-10 because of the shape of the shoulders but it sounds like that's all, I don't know but I hope to find out soon and with some luck I will :wink:

Thanks, Kurt

 

Hay flats, that's true in some extent.
I think the 692 is more a DT11 than a SV10 in its handling and balance - it is obvious that the DT has a different lock up design but the barrels balanced the same as the 692 and the later has a lot more features close to the DTs than an SV10.
The only thing in common between the 692 and the SV10 is the lockup design only.

I never shot an SV10 but I handled one and liked very much. I have a 692 and shot a DT11 and even that the DTs are heavier but they balanced very similar to the 692.
The SV10 felt different but not sure how it will shoot (that's a completely a different thing).

You can't go wrong with any of the 2.

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Hay Flats your loyalty to your personal choice is understandable but the only similarity between the 692 & DT11 is in appearance. As for the 692 itself it isn't 'all new with the exception of the 682 trigger' To start with the 682 had the same trigger as every other 68X model as does the Prevail.

So, what else is 'new' on the 692? Steelium for example first appeared in Beretta publicity with the release of...The SV10... But the cold hammer forging which is what the Steelium process actually is has been used by Beretta for years. I don't know if 692 barrel shoulders are a different size or if the barrels would drop onto an SV10 frame because I haven't tried, but I will quite soon. I'm 95% confident they will fit though. Otherwise, the 692 action, trigger, lock up, chokes, barrels and ejectors are all standard SV10 - other than the cones which are 14", up from 5" (not 2.5") and the trigger blade is adjustable for position.

Just as with the 682, Beretta is relying more on brand image and cred than real value for money. I don't have a problem with that, it's a good system, just don't be fooled into thinking that the 20 page promo booklet says anything meaningful or that the 692 is some kind of big step up in any real sense other than price.

 

Hay Flats your loyalty to your personal choice is understandable but the only similarity between the 692 & DT11 is in appearance. As for the 692 itself it isn't 'all new with the exception of the 682 trigger' To start with the 682 had the same trigger as every other 68X model as does the Prevail.

So, what else is 'new' on the 692? Steelium for example first appeared in Beretta publicity with the release of...The SV10... But the cold hammer forging which is what the Steelium process actually is has been used by Beretta for years. I don't know if 692 barrel shoulders are a different size or if the barrels would drop onto an SV10 frame because I haven't tried, but I will quite soon. I'm 95% confident they will fit though. Otherwise, the 692 action, trigger, lock up, chokes, barrels and ejectors are all standard SV10 - other than the cones which are 14", up from 5" (not 2.5") and the trigger blade is adjustable for position.

Just as with the 682, Beretta is relying more on brand image and cred than real value for money. I don't have a problem with that, it's a good system, just don't be fooled into thinking that the 20 page promo booklet says anything meaningful or that the 692 is some kind of big step up in any real sense other than price.

Thanks Trickster, I don't have any loyalty to any of them and never made a comment on the DT11, just some of the marketing statements Beretta has made about the 692! The only reason I'm looking at the Berettas is they fit me so well out of the box and if it wasn't for Coles Gunsmithing I would not come within a mile of a Beretta product since I have experienced how bad there customer service is first hand! With that said I'm still looking forward to moving from my 686 Sporter to either the SV-10 or 692. Other brands are definitely not off the table but being in Alaska options to try other models is limited with the 32" Prevail standing out so far. Thanks again for all the first hand knowledge!

Kurt

 

Good luck with making your choice Kurt.

I've nothing against any sub DT10/11 Beretta O/U on technical grounds. In reality it's only the handling, balance and feel that varies. Their marketing though is still fairly juvenile and the almost desparate attempts to portray the 692 as a new gun which stands apart from it's predecessors are pretty transparent. And yet despite my conviction that it's overpriced (just like the 682 Gold E was), I probably will get a 692 at some point - but as a Prevail owner I'm in no hurry whatsoever. Especially since there have been so many reports of silly teething problems with them here in the UK.

 

Trickster, one does have to consider that the Law of Diminishing Marginal Rate of Return on Investment certainly applies to shotguns.

I mean, really, is a Perazzi MX12 really 5 times the gun that a Prevail III is? Is a real Holland and Holland really 20 times the gun that its AyA cousin is? That's not how these things work, unfortunately.

And I say that as someone who would grab several MX12s and H&H side-by-sides, with no hesitation at all, if I had the means.

I agree that Beretta's marketing is silly. These guns have evolved over time, and if I were in the market for a new sporter, the 692 being the next iteration in a very long history of good competition guns is sufficient to get me to buy it, whereas nothing they could possibly say would make me sell my 682 just to shell out more money to get a 692.

In the US, the Prevail is seldom seen. Those who do have them, love them, though. I'd say that the Prevail III is a genuine bargain in a sporter. I met one good shot who chooses to use his Prevail over his Perazzis, even.

There's the problem for Beretta, really. The 692 is not an expensive gun in its market niche. Compare it with the others, and it's not priced badly. But Beretta's lower-end guns like the Silver Pigeon I and Prevail are such good values, they end up having to try to explain why you should buy a 692 instead, and it's a difficult argument to make. The company has done a remarkable job, designing and building affordable production guns that handle very well and last a long time.

I find myself in agreement with Mike Yardley about shotguns, so often... The 20 Gauge 680-series shotgun would be my "desert island" gun too. And I find myself in disagreement with so many Americans, who often have not had enough exposure to guns that handle better than the average brick.

 

My thoughts are very much in line with yours Barry. At least though the positioning of the 692 as the replacement for the 682 is obvious. Not so the SV10 family. When they originally came out I certainly scratched my head like many others and wondered what they were doing, especially since in this market the Prevail III pricing, without K/O, was the same as the Gold E and SP-V.

I can remember Sera commenting at the time that the Prevail: '...answered a question no one's asked'.

Not surprisingly the Prevail III didn't sell well in the UK either and is now withdrawn. But the Prevail I is a gem of a sporting clays gun at that price point. When I first got mine, a couple of people at the club tried it, liked it and talked about it. Within an hour people were practically queueing up to shoot a stand with it. Everyone, even the 'Berettas are for girls' brigade were impressed with the way it moved and shot.

I shoot registered because I like testing targets not because I've any expectations of winning money or fame, and the mid range Berettas are perfect for me. For it's intended purpose, the action design is easily the best IMO, the quality/price balance is acceptable and they're good to shoot.

Yes I could afford an MX2000s or MX12 but it would be a significant outlay, and in my case, only for show since I don't believe I would gain any extra targets.

 

shot in the rain when tried to brake down my 692 it wouldn't come apart any suggestions

 

After taking the gun apart , wrap the (metal) action in a cloth and put it in a vice. Loosen the stock bolt as much as you can....then , using only a rubber mallet , gently tap the trigger guard til the stock gives way a fraction , then you can wriggle it off.

 

shot in the rain when tried to brake down my 692 it wouldn't come apart any suggestions

I may be off base here but do you mean you couldn't take the fore end off in order to break the gun down? The same thing happened to me once with my 682 after shooting in the rain. The fore end is unfinished on the inside and mine had swelled where it wouldn't come off. Just let it dry out and it will come off again...just feel lucky it didn't crack when it swelled.

Chris

 

I am contemplating a purchase of the new 692 and just read a post over in trapshooters that "he" has heard that there has been reports of the barrels shooting in "different directions". Can anyone substantiate that comment? I have not seen anywhere in all the reviews I have read that this is a problem or a potential problem.

 

I am contemplating a purchase of the new 692 and just read a post over in trapshooters that "he" has heard that there has been reports of the barrels shooting in "different directions". Can anyone substantiate that comment? I have not seen anywhere in all the reviews I have read that this is a problem or a potential problem.

Have heard reports for years about Beretta barrel regulation problems (mostly 68x guns). One such report was from an individual who had systematically tested POI - the rest, who knows?

I have never experienced the problem myself, and the 692 that I had the opportunity to test drive seemed to shoot where I was looking.

 

I've had mine just over a year and it seems to shoot where Im pointing it.

With either barrel.

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Regarding the TS.Com comment, google "hyperbole."

 

GulfCoast - gotcha right on the money.....thanks