I personally find it harder to connect with the bayonet style. I feel like I'm able to build connection through the mount by moving with the bird matching its speed with minimal face time before firing. I'm able to shoot all methods with this style based on my setup. I don't shoot well premounted. I feel like I need the mount to develop rhythm and connect. This is what is comfortable to me but may be a hindrance?

 

This is taught because some people will not bring the stock up to their face. I find it way easier to not add this extra move to the mount.

 

Which move do you consider extra?

I thought a shallow quartering target was not the greatest to show the difference between these 2 methods - a big crosser may have emphasized the differences more. I guess I’m a slider but at this point I have so many things to work on changing my mount doesn’t seem like a good idea.

 

Out 1st.

 

I'm not sure how you pull away from an incoming or out going target. I've watched Ben videos and his bayonet mount is used so he doesn't rock the gun when mounting. My coach taught me a similar move when shooting trap shots in Fitasc.
Quartering targets are a swing through when they're fast and possibly pull away depending on distance and angle. Pull away is really a great move for crossing targets and especially on the second bird in pairs. Maintained lead on all crossing, when there's a lot of distance, or the first bird of the pair. Swing through or pull away on fast crossing or short window crossing targets. Like others, move - mount - shoot technique is one I like to use because I don't like to be in the gun very long. I like to see the shot develop then mount and shoot.
You should watch Ed Solomon videos. He's more of an maintained lead shooter that mixes in other techniques when needed. Ben is an amazing shooter that does everything but maintained lead, so if you are a maintained shooter his videos might not be best. On the rare occasion he does use maintained he will say how it's the only time its necessary (in his opinion) Don't change what works for you. Add methods when needed. My $0.02 Good luck.

 

Does this video have a version in English?

 

YouTube

 

This should be the one you want

 

Here's another to watch

 

I don't feel this post is about shooting methods (swing through, pull away, ect). It's about connecting/mounting methods.

 

Yes that's true.
How you mount and connect is related to the method being used which is mostly determined by the type of target and the breakpoint.
The original post is about bayonet mount and how its used... it took off from there. Im passionate about this sport so I apologize if I hijacked the original post to different zip code.

 

I like BH's videos. They make sense to me and I like his style. I'd like to take a lesson from him but I admit he makes me nervous. He's the type of person that asks you a question in a way that expects you can finish what he is saying. You have to pay close attention to what he is saying and I'm not the best listener. lol

That bayonet mount makes a lot of sense.

 

Ed Solomons and Ben are good friends but have completely different shooting techniques. FWIW Ed typically works to develop the client's existing technique whereas Ben tends to impose his methods on the client.

They are both highly regarded and very busy full time coaches.

 

I do shoot FITASC - it’s my favorite game. I’ve shot sporting low gun for decades and even though I’m shooting more pre mounted, I find I get a much better look at some targets with the gun down just a bit.
I believe the argument for using the bayonet mount is that you are doing 2 separate things, mounting then moving. When you “slide” you are bringing the gun up and moving it laterally at the same time which one can argue is complicated and more difficult to perform consistently. However, you can argue that sliding allows you to start synching with the target right away and is better. We each have to find what works best for ourselves.

 

I use the slide up method for the mount because the front hand drives the whole mount for me. The trigger hand simply brings the gun to my face to fire. I keep the gun barrel on the line at all times synchronizing with the bird before the gun even starts to mount. Once I have completed my method/lead, the trigger hand brings the stock to my face for firing. I shoot low gun/cheat mount at sporting. I feel like the bayonet mount is a "mount then chase method" causing you to find the line after the gun is mounted. As others have stated you need to find what works best for you. This method works for me, results may vary for you...