Sounds like a personal problem. My club has been using black rimmed targets with trees in the background for...ever? I don't think I've heard of anybody having a problem with that.

 

If you have not tried all orange, how would you know if it was better or not?

 

I don't know if all orange is any better. I'm merely suggesting this sounds like a personal problem or potential skill issue, given I've not seen competent shooters have any issue with the clays here even with the trees in the background.

 

At 64 I am still an AA registered skeet shooter. I have been AAA in the past, finished a 12ga season with a 99.33 once. What is your average / ranking?

 

That's a cool story bro, on the Internet you can be anything you believe, but doesn't detract from the fact this sounds like a personal problem.

 

You sound like a young man, I am not. In my day if you insinuated that someone was a liar, it was a pretty serious thing. Skeet records are all a matter of public record. You can look it all up. I was an AA-AAA shooter for many years, had a bad vertigo issue that moved me into lower classes. I got hearing aids and the vertigo went away. I am back in AA in at least 2 gauges. I think I shop a 491 at the State shoot last year. No 100s but 99s in the 28 and 20. I own a private skeet and trap shooting facility. You seem determined to argue when you admit you have no way of knowing, not something I am here for. I hope you excel at shooting targets that have black rims. Some day you will probably figure out that it is best to learn and adapt, the game will change on you as you age.

 

Myself, if find black rimmed targets tougher to see, regardless of the background. They just appear smaller to Me.
Shoot well
Bob

 

The black rimmed targets.Were about $5.00 cheaper. Than the orange top. Without the black rim. Per case sometime ago. This probably has more to do with their use than anything else.

 

I find the black rimmed targets more difficult to see particularly when thrown on edge. For me that makes certain presentations more of a vision than a shooting skill test.

 

Standard black-rim Clay Targets should not be presented for Trap or Skeet competitions. However, Standard black-rim Clay Targets are often used in sporting events to deceive the shooter. For example, a Standard Target with an orange dome and black rim may trick the shooter into thinking they are shooting at a Midi target. In fact, if you take a Midi target and stack it on top of the standard black-rim target it will completely cover the orange dome, leaving only the black rim showing. Thus the deception!

 

Always preferred black rim clays, even against trees, distance or airplanes such as at Vandalia...orange had too much of a blob effect for my eyes...reckon everyone is different tho.

Rules...do attract a lot of interest.

 

Not specific to skeet but I really dislike that blob effect too. I avoid the 'max' type pillas for that reason. When you first put them on you're like 'oh man that target is just glowing that's awesome!' but then if you actually shoot with them you figure out it's not so great.

 

It must depend on the background. Our club tried solid orange and both the trap and skeet shooters responded with a resounding no. And trap and skeet shooters do not agree on anything.

 

I have found the black rim targets gives me a better contrast when you have white puffy clouds. Maybe a change in eye lense color would help seeing black rim targets, more to an orange tint.

 

Those clouds are another matter. My fields have almost nothing but sky in the background. I have had registered shoots where people are shooting 97s-100s on Saturday in clear skies, and low 90s on Sunday with puffy clouds. Many of the clubs in my area have much more difficult backgrounds. It would be interesting to study the score with all orange and black rim. What I am saying is that with targets that are back lit, with uneven background, black rims are hard to see.

 

Give it a rest dude, the topic is about blackrimmed clays, not former glory or humble bragging. You posted a rant, I responded, no need to get upset.

 

You are the one who questioned my skill level, then said I was lying about it. Perhaps it is you that should "give it a rest" Dude. I never said I was upset.

 

Everyone has different abilities, likes and dislikes. As we get older things change, some things (such as cataracts) will make it more difficult to see a black rimmed target against a dark background in some situations. I have been there. Luckily I was able to have my cataracts taken care of and all orange targets against a bright sky are no longer a problem. Before thinking that a target is the wrong color or suggesting that a shooter is lacking skill, maybe all things related need to be understood and a little grace given........on both sides.

 

My apologies, sometimes can't helping ribbing a little

 

I like the black rims on cloudy days as it helps with my depth perception.

They would all be orange if I had my choice, but I dont, so I consider it part of the equation of a challenging sport.

Our local clob recently rattle canned a case of birds with HI-viz green and those were kinda fun as a change of pace for 16yd trap.

 

I am kinda surprised that a club is throwing black rimmed targets just because that is what is thrown at the nationals. Clubs should, emphasis on should, know what color targets are most visible with the directions their fields are set and what the background is. Where I shoot, the background is the sky for 100% of the skeet targets thrown with south facing fields, black rimmed targets stand out like a neon sign at 2 AM.

 

My biggest problem with black rim targets is when I'm doing precision chip work on the front or back of the target to show off, the little black bits are almost invisible which leads to lost targets depending on the ref. <-- I have also been that ref missing those little bits

 

My home club has talk trees in the background. Low house targets never hit the skyline. We now throw the new york target with just the bottom band in black as a compromise. I do not see them as well as the solid orange we used before. That being said, I am also a member of a club in a neighboring state with nothing but sky for a background. I by far prefer the mostly black/orange dome there. In fact, I could see solid black targets there very well. It all depends on the conditions.

 

I personally see black rim targets better.

 

Black rims, illusion of a smaller target. That should sharpen your target perception. Good training for "big shoots".

 

I had a pretty good state shoot last year, I think I had a 391. I did notice some of the new or B,C,D shooters missing targets on stations 1, 7 and 8. Most AA - AAA shooters do not miss on those stations. The thing is, the B, C D guys pay just as much to shoot. When you backlight a target like that, many shooters will not see it well. Heads go up, scores go down. All AAA shooters were once in the lower classes. As I said, black rim might be fine in Texas, but PA aint Texas.

 

Neither does PA define.

👍....to happy clay shooters, independent of ranking.

 

I routinely shoot with 65+ shooters and they do very well. It remains... a personal problem.

 

I also prefer all orange. The black rim makes the target seem smaller.

 

Aging eyes? Contrast? Losing mental focus? All play a part in seeing targets. When shooting against a background of red, orange, green, brown and yellow fall foliage, target color may play into the equation. The greater the contrast between target and background allows the shooter a better opportunity to, initially, pick up the target. At my age, I would still prefer a solid black target when shooting against a perfect blue sky. I never heard any complaints, about target color when I first started shooting. Back then, many clubs were throwing orangish dome "Remington Blue Rock" targets. Those things would smoke, even if hit with 2 pellets on the rims.

 

I think, to make everyone happy- it should be alternating orange/black rimmed targets. That way everyone gets at least some of the target style they like.

 

This is an issue very much related to specific fields. Some people think they love a black rim targets and have only shot them in the conditions present on their home field. There are places with good lighting that most people will like them. There are other places that they will not. Noone, regardless of age will see a black rim target, against a background of trees, with the sun coming from behind the target, as well as an all orange target. Most shooters who have been around a lot, have learned this. As I have said more than once, Texas is probably a great place for them, PA not so much.

 

Thank god for sporting clays. I could never shoot skeet more than just the occasional practice when there is nothing else to do.

 

If you do not like skeet, why post on the Skeet Shooters thread? I like to shoot shotguns, I shoot skeet, trap, 5 stand and sporting clays. They are all different and all very appealing to me.