Well, for me personally it wouldn't have mattered, because I'm not good enough to shoot for HOA. If you were competing with this guy, I suppose you're justified to be upset.

Very very few of us are in this game for money, and "wins" can be fickle, so I'd personally just let it go. Life's too short to get pissy about a silly game where grown men shoot little orange targets

 

Well, for me personally it wouldn't have mattered, because I'm not good enough to shoot for HOA. If you were competing with this guy, I suppose you're justified to be upset.

Very very few of us are in this game for money, and "wins" can be fickle, so I'd personally just let it go. Life's too short to get pissy about a silly game where grown men shoot little orange targets

It does matter. It matters to everyone who goes to a shoot and fills out a score card.

It matters to anyone who wants to make the game better.

 

Well, for me personally it wouldn't have mattered, because I'm not good enough to shoot for HOA. If you were competing with this guy, I suppose you're justified to be upset.

Very very few of us are in this game for money, and "wins" can be fickle, so I'd personally just let it go. Life's too short to get pissy about a silly game where grown men shoot little orange targets

I may be in the minority, but I think integrity is important in all things, not just the ones I care about.

 

Integrity should be up there, just below safety in a "tournament" setting. If him winning the shoot was more important to the club than growing other shoots and growing the sport, then they just accomplished that 100%. I would have spoke up there on the spot, and offered to chip in for the lie detector test. At the very least, should have been DQ from the shoot, everyone raised up 1 place in the standings, and put on a probation period and had NSCA put on notice about him.

 

Page 6 of the latest NSCA rule book states on page 6:

1-B-3-c

I. GENERAL INFORMATION
B. MEMBERSHIP
3.Rules of Conduct
c. It shall be a violation of these rules to:
8) Failure to submit a written complaint to shoot management after witnessing the violation of one of the NSCA's rules or regulations.
9) Failure of shoot management to submit a written report to NSCA of written complaints received along with a report of action taken.

Did you read the rule book? Did you submit a written complaint?

 

Gotta disagree with ya, chilly. Most of the registered shoots around here pay back $$ in each class. The individual in question may or may not have been shooting for HOA but if the shoot was paying $$ in class, he was stealing from the others in his class. Period.

I'm nowhere near being able to go for HOA but at our club's shoot a couple weeks ago, I finished 2nd in class in the main and 1st in class for sub gauge. I got back enough to pay for my entries and my ammo! (Didn't cover the gas for my Suburban but that's another story. :lol: ) If I found out someone in my class was cheating like the OP described, I'd be raising all kinds of hell, and if the club was turning a blind eye, I'd be getting in touch with NSCA.

 

I may be in the minority, but I think integrity is important in all things, not just the ones I care about.[/quote]

This sums it up nicely

 

His squad vouched for him.

It wasn't me, my squad positively revels in my screwups. :wink:

 

If ya want cheap with no knowledgeable trappers this is what you get with SYO. If this stuff bothers you stay away from SYO and only go to real shoots with competent trappers and pay more. SYO= expensive practice.

 

So where did this happen so the rest of us can avoid this club?

 

Looks like this club condones this behavior I believe it was Jacksonville gun club

 

All it takes is for one person to play games.Then awards for points races and cash awards (if offered) becomes skewed. I also would like to know where this took place. I've seen people suspected of cheating told they would have a trapper for the next visit. They never returned. `

 

I would blame the squad too, if they allowed this to happen.

 

Well, for me personally it wouldn't have mattered, because I'm not good enough to shoot for HOA. If you were competing with this guy, I suppose you're justified to be upset.

Very very few of us are in this game for money, and "wins" can be fickle, so I'd personally just let it go. Life's too short to get pissy about a silly game where grown men shoot little orange targets

It does matter. It matters to everyone who goes to a shoot and fills out a score card.

It matters to anyone who wants to make the game better.

+1

Anyone who condones this or looks the other way has no integrity either

 

Chilly appears to have the same morals, ethics and integrity of Hillary Clinton so avoid him

And get lost you complainers if cheating at clays is that important to you, you have a sick little value of yourself to want a tiny trophy

 

Not to defend this in any way, but it is possible, he shot and missed the SEE bird and the following 3 target birds. Probably not, just hate to hear about stuff like this.

 

Why would you shoot a "see" bird?

 

If this was at Jacksonville, that guy is a known cheater. Same guy that claimed to have won many big shoots on his website. Was just questioned about his score at Bradford just a few weeks ago, but there was insufficient proof to do anything according to shoot management.
Was absolutely caught cheating at Fishhawk last year. (His girlfriend was his trapper and said he missed dozens despite turning in something in the 90s). There are more examples than I care to remember at the moment.

Email a written complaint to Brett Moyes at NSCA. Email me a written complaint to rollinsbrown@gmail.com and I will present it to the FSCA board. I can't promise anything but I will try to get the board to investigate it.

 

Again just another reason for refs at events....

 

Roger, kiss my ***, you don't know me and I don't think we are speaking to the same viewpoint of the question.

I was interpreting the "what would you have done" as how would I react to how the club handled it. Meaning, after I was told by the club that the score would post after I'd called him on the scoring error, what would I do? The OP had done his diligence and reported it, at that point I'd say his conscience was clear and it was a choice to stay or go. I would say, at that point, I shoot for myself and I'd stay and keep shooting.

Everyone assumed I was speaking to reporting the "cheater", not the case.

 

Cheating is cheating period! This is one of the flaws in this game and anyone caught doing it should have his membership revoked. I would have asked for my money back if it was for a pay out! Especially if me and my squad mates integrity was bruised by the club not doing anything.

 

If this was at Jacksonville, that guy is a known cheater. Same guy that claimed to have won many big shoots on his website. Was absolutely caught cheating at Fishhawk last year.

In that case, why is this guy not on a lifetime ban from the sport?

 

Anyone who condones this or looks the other way has no integrity either[/quote]

Exactly!

 

To restore faith in the scores that the best shooter won require all shoots to have the top five shooters in each class shoot off for an additional 10-25 targets added to your score. In self scored shoots it would put cheaters up against truly better shooters and in multi day events it would help even out the variables caused by changes in the weather giving some shooters the benefit of luck in when they shot.

Having shoot offs in front of management and fellow shooters will have everyone shooting under the same conditions and if you pay three deep in each class cheaters will win nothing and just be embarrassed. Everyone would then know that the person who hit the most targets actually won.

 

Seems obvious something smelled given he did not stay for the PM shoot.