Once upon a time a man could order a brand new Parker, from Meriden, just the way he wanted it. Just took money.

Later, the year I was born, 1958, my Daddy could have bought a brand new Winchester Model 12 Deluxe, if he had the money.

There have been other guns like those. A.H. Fox, the Winchester Model 21's, L.C. Smith, Browning Superposeds, all of those guns once upon a time were regular production guns, that anybody could buy brand new. Provided, of course, they had the money. These are just some of the great, classic, wonderful guns that used to be, not a complete list.

That was then. This is now. New Winchester 21's and Browning Superposeds start at 10,000 dollars. You can't even buy the other guns I've named, new.

Oh, but you can go right out and buy a new Caesar Guerini, today. All you can afford. Unlimited supply. They start at about $2,500 for the Woodlander model, $3,000 will by you a nice sporting clays Summit model, and you can keep addding a thousand or two for higher grades until you reach $7,500, where you reach the top of the line Forum, hand engraved by a master, with wood that could have been put on an A-1 Special Parker.

But, no matter which one you buy, it's as close to perfect as an over and under shotgun is ever going to be. The polish and bluing is utterly flawless. Every tiny little part of the gun looks like a piece of jewelry. The only question is how high a grade of geniune polished linseed oil finishedTurkish Cirassian walnut, checkered 26 lines per inch, and the level of engraving you want. Every gun shoots the same, which is perfect. Guerini doesn't make anything they'll ever sell at Wal Mart. It's quality stuff, folks, as good as shotguns on this earth ever have been, or ever will be.

And, there's the guarantee. They shouldn't need much fixing, but if the gun ever breaks Guerini fixes it free, and fixes it right then, and they mail it back to you, usually the next day. I called them to register a new one and Wes Lang, the President of Guerini USA, told me not to bother, they fix all them anyway. Yeah. When's the last time you ever heard of that? And, you get to mail it in once a year, for three years, for a Pit Stop. Just like the Krieghoffs, except it's free for Guerinis. At the Pit Stop they'll take any stratches out of your Guerini and take it all apart and lube everything up and adjust anything that needs it and they send it back. Quick. Usually the next day.

The field guns have 3 inch chambers and are steel shot safe. The target guns have 2 3/4 inch chambers. All have some trick long forcing cone, chrome lined bores, the polished inside parts are machined from billets of 4140 chrome moly steel, no stampings, no roll pins, nothing's cheap, anywhere.

So, are you going to buy one? If you don't, I can promise you this. In a few years, there isn't any way under the heaven and earth you are going to be able to take $3,000 or so and buy a brand new 34" barreled Caesar Guerini Summit Limited. There's no way. I can't figure out how they possibly sell them as cheap as they do, and there's no way this can last. Either they'll go broke trying or the price will go up.

I wasn't around when they were selling Winchester Model 21's and Browning Superposeds at the local gun shop, brand new. But I own two Guerinis, and the second I get enough ahead of paying my tax estimates and supporting my wife and kids, and all that, I'm getting some more.

An straight stocked Essex model in 20 gauge, with an extra set of 28 gauge barrels, would be just dandy, I think. :wink:

 

Once upon a time a man could order a brand new Parker, from Meriden, just the way he wanted it. Just took money.

An straight stocked Essex model in 20 gauge, with an extra set of 28 gauge barrels, would be just dandy, I think. :wink:

I could not have begun to say it that well, but that is the way I feel also.
You might as well buy the subgauge set of three, it is a better deal. Is it available in that grade??

 

I just absolutely love mine. The only thing I shoot skeet with any more is my Summit 28 ga.

Took the 12ga. 32" dove hunting this year, man that thing swings nice, and it is so much fun to shoot sporting clays with.

I truly enjoy owning these guns, glad I got in when I did!

 

Gents,

I almost popped for an Essex but I just could not deal with that solid rib. Settled on a Maxum for my 3rd Caesar Guerini which should be delivered next week in time for bird season. I have two Summit Sporting models with 32" barrels, one 12 one 20. Hopefully the Maxum will be the last CG....but no promises-

JJ

 

I love my 28ga with 30" barrels far more than any other o/u I have owned. I still like my Berettas, but the Magnus Sporting model I have is perfect in every way. I do have a question though. How can anything open easily but yet lock up with such perfection? It is an uncanny feeling.

Charles

 

I've handle a number of them and they are nice guns. Fit and finish are very good. I really like the looks of the chiseled fenses and find the Boss ejectors as rather unique but certainly no better or worse then the other ejector designs. But I don't find the guns any better or worse that the B.Rizzini's, Beretta's, Browning's, or Miroku's at similar price points. CG does have one advantage and that they for the moment are more responsive than the other manufactures I've noted.

Are you guys a bit punch drunk?

 

Great guns with great quality.

Wish they would make a 16ga. SxS, double triggers and a pistol grip. :wink:

 

I've handle a number of them and they are nice guns. Fit and finish are very good. I really like the looks of the chiseled fenses and find the Boss ejectors as rather unique but certainly no better or worse then the other ejector designs. But I don't find the guns any better or worse that the B.Rizzini's, Beretta's, Browning's, or Miroku's at similar price points. CG does have one advantage and that they for the moment are more responsive than the other manufactures I've noted.

Are you guys a bit punch drunk?

I believe that one of the reasons the guys are so devote is that if you have a question or need assistance you can send Wes an IM and it is immediately taken care of. It does not get any better than that.
Charles

 

I had met a guy at a local BBQ last week.
He was in his late 50s and had been away from shooting for the last 5 years or so. He just started shooting again 6 months ago.

He owns and shoot Parazzis, has done work with Beretta, Kimber and had hopes of the Olympic Shooting team in the 70's.

He asked me about this newer gun Ceasar Guerinis (he mis-pronounced it) that he saw at the National Classic show at Northbrook Sports Club. He saw the whole line.

He said "these guns seem like they are the quality of Berettas, Parazzis and Kreighoffs.
He said he couldn't believe how inexpensive they are. He was blown away by the looks, quality and finish.

 

I feel like I should get a BIG discount on my next purchase. So far I (actually my Maguns Sprt. Ltd.) has sold two more Guerini's and I have a Wed appt to shot SC's with a guy that may want one.

One dear friend, excellent shot and dog man is trading his Ugartechea back to Lion Country on a Summit Sprt. Ltd. He just never got the hang of the Ugartechea and the double triggers ATE HIS LUNCH!

I have gotten obsessive about shoting it, I wanna go all day every day.

 

I bought my Summit Sporting 12 ga. 32" last year. Shot it quite a bit but not as much as I would like. That's another story.

I am simply 100% satisfied with it and the quality. It seems to fit me very well even though I may not know much about proper fit like some shooters here. You pick it up and it just feels right. Open and close it and it sounds right. :wink:

I think a little better wood would be nice but...

I consider my Summit Sporting to be an entry level CG as far as looks but I like it. The receiver is simple and to the point.

I've been eyeing up the Maxum Sporting but I can't see how it, at $5,195 MSRP, will cause me to break and more targets than the Summit does but it sure is a "pretty shotgun."

 

So far they are fairly good guns... they are certainly well finished. I had a 32" 20ga Magnus Sporting, but sold it. I've shot several of the 12ga guns.... good, but not great. I tend to compare them with other guns I shoot and they come up a bit short. These may be considered minor things to some, but I find them not to have the best triggers, they recoil a bit more than they should and they do not, so far, hold their values very well. If the recoil and the triggers don't bother you and you end up keeping the gun for a long long time, they should be OK.

 

Have you ever felt more confident shooting one barrel rather than the other?

No need with the CG.
Everybody assumes both bbls of a double gun shoot to the same point. Not so.

Before I bought my first one I called to get their specs on barrel regulation.
These guns will put the center of the pattern of each bbl within 5cm of point of aim at 40m. This is far tighter than any gun I could find for less than about $8000.

If I can't hit with one barrel (or the other) I certainly cannot blame the gun.

james

 

Shoot a CG sporter this weekend at a gunfitting. I got the opportunity to shoot the thing because it was a match to my numbers. Shot it okay, not any better that the Charles Daly/Miroku that I had with me. For the money, I'd think I opt for a Beretta and know I'd have a reliable gun. For the money, you'd get better wood with the CG but an unknown in the reliability department. Time will tell.

..Before I bought my first one I called to get their specs on barrel regulation.
These guns will put the center of the pattern of each bbl within 5cm of point of aim at 40m.

And does the barrels of your CG print to 5cm of one another?

I believe that one of the reasons the guys are so devote is that if you have a question or need assistance you can send Wes an IM and it is immediately taken care of. It does not get any better than that.

That's a good thing until Wes and CG part company. IIRC, Wes was working with Sig and B. Rizzini just a couple of years ago and them that business relationship ended.

 

SEB,
Wes is involved in the ownership of CG. He isn't going anywhere.

 

I own a Tempio (second from the bottom in CG lineup) and have found it to an exceptional gun for all the reasons listed above. A great, beautiful, carry all day gun.

 

SEB,
Wes is involved in the ownership of CG. He isn't going anywhere.

I learn something every day. Would that be ownership of the USA distributor or the plant in Italy?

 

As I said, the center of pattern of each bbl within 5cm of POI at 40m.
My Summit Ltd does in fact avg. within 5cm of each other. As you may know, this is half the stated tolerance.

Incidentally, Browning quoted 4in. at 40 yds. and Berette quoted 8in. at 40 yds.

james