The best option is to use the Ballistic Products Super Crown Crimper

 

Don't agree. The one from Gaep does a better job. I would not use 8 point for sure. Stick with 6. When I do new hulls like that, I do pre crimp, spin and do again. Sometimes 3/4 times to make a nice fold. I would agree the skived ones are easier to deal with.

 

If they're just straight tubes, they probably aren't skived either.

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Personally unless you have a truckload of them, I'd knock the primers out, throw the hulls in the trash, load the primers into once fired hulls, and call it a lesson learned.

 

Yep, in new hulls I skive them to make it easier, I use 6 pt crimp for more defined larger petals that can be better formed on precrimp, I hold the precrimp down for like 5 seconds or more to set the folds better, and I go immediately to final crimp so the plastic memory doesn't reduce precrimp. And I do precrimp 2 or 3 times, spinning hull between to ensure all petals well formed. NOT A SPEEDY PROCESS, I only do this for hunting loads I am forced to use new hulls for.

That bpi skiver that skeetman showed works decent.

 

Not sure if it's relevant, but once watched a video of a European shotshell factory, and one of the things I noticed is for new hulls, they use at least 3 and maybe 4 different crimp starter stages. They don't do it in a single stroke as we do. They do it incrementally.

 

Thanks for the replies, did'n think about the lack of skiving, I'll get one from BPI. Federal Top Gun shells are 8 point crimped, not 6 point. I figured I'd save time and money with these new primed hulls, guess not if I have to start buying additional tools to make them work.

 

New hull doesn't know or care how many pedals there are. 6/8 who cares as long as they work correctly. I actually seen a 4-point crimp yesterday. It may be a new thing.

 

Make this easy on yourself and your wallet. Use a 6 point crimp starter, the one that came with your machine. Be sure to creep up on the setting, don't try to set it really deep. Start with it a bit on the shallow side and only drop it as much as you need to get the 6 tips touching. Use a nice smooth stroke. It is easier to get a nice crimp start on a new hull on a single stage machine.

The way the crimp starter is set right now, is too deep.

There is no ballistic advantage to an 8 point crimp.

 

Like Dogchaser37 said, with proper adjustments you can get excellent crimps. Something isn’t adjusted properly if those are the results you’re getting and or your stack height is off. In my unprofessional opinion you don’t need more equipment to get the results you’re looking for. A little more research and time pulling the lever and you’ll be well on your way. Listing the components of the load might help for others on this site to direct you to the results you’re looking for.

 

Thanks again for the suggestions, went with 6 point super crimp starter from BPI and that solved the crimp issue now I have to try 1 ounce wads as the ounce and an eighth are dishing. Again, new Federal Top Gun hulls.

 

Pretty typical if you are using Perfect Pattern or High Gun powder. If you are using one of the flake powders, there shouldn't be any dishing using the CB6118-12 wads with a true 1 1/8 oz. shot drop.

 

FWIW, if you can, find some once fired hulls at your local club, they are a lot cheaper and good crimps are easier to apply.