I think if I were to buy a shotgun for "home defense", it would be the most reliable gun I could find. A beater is one thing, while something to defend yourself with is a whole different kettle of fish.

 

"home defense style". Better? I already have a dedicated hd shotgun. This as I stated in the original post is a just for fun shotgun. Something I could beat on and not care about all that much.

 

I think if I were to buy a beater, I would hit some pawn shops and try to find an old police 870. It will be beat up, but not shot much. You can put a $69 plastic stock on it and you will have a decent gun for the same price as something that might not work.

 

The CZ shotguns are made by Huglu, you may know that, but just saying. Now for my advise, i do like my CZ shotguns, but I would shy away from the 612, it is just to new for me, their O/U guns are fine. Their semi-autos have a less than stellar track record, I would hold off on the CZ, and it pains me to say this :lol: :lol: but SS has given you very good advice.

cdb

 

I wish Krieghoff made a pump!

 

Sounds like you just want someone to tell you that the cheapest of the cheap new guns are a good deal. Sorry, spend your money however you want, but we ain't your Mama and aren't going to pat you on the back and say good job regardless of what you do.

 

The CZ shotguns are made by Huglu, you may know that, but just saying. Now for my advise, i do like my CZ shotguns, but I would shy away from the 612, it is just to new for me, their O/U guns are fine. Their semi-autos have a less than stellar track record, I would hold off on the CZ, and it pains me to say this :lol: :lol: but SS has given you very good advice.

cdb

The CZ 612 is made by Akkar, not Huglu. Akkar is the same company that made the Charles Daly 12 Gauge field and defense pumps. From my personal experience as an owner of a CD Field 28" and a CZ 612 HC, I have found these "Akkar 300" guns to be reliable, lightweight and fun to shoot. I do own other shotguns but I find myself shooting the Akkar guns more often. The only thing I wish CZ would have done was offer the 18" barrel with the pistol grip configuration and ghost ring sights. After buying the CZ, I did see Akkar makes a 300 THD SP that seems to be exactly that. The Akkar is slightly cheaper than the CZ but I feel better about having the CZ name on the gun and the support that comes along with it.

 

Best beater gun out there is an old Wingmaster. Second best is an old Mossberg 500. Millions of them out there, should not be hard to find one for the price of a new 620.

 

Why does it seem like 99 times out of a hundred when a gun is made in Turkey the presumption is it's made by Huglu when there are a number of other Turkish shotgun makers?

 

Two years haven't changed things, there are still plenty of junk being made and sold to unsuspecting buyers.

 

OldFarmer, your point is Huglu = junk or anything made in Turkey = junk? (I'm guessing the former.)

 

Two years haven't changed things, there are still plenty of junk being made and sold to unsuspecting buyers.

Yeah, just look no further than the "New" RRL.

 

Most of the Turkish guns are not worth what they cost. The ones that carry the Weatherby name seem to be an exception. In most cases there are far better guns available in the same price range. Often that's a used gun, but one that will hold it's monitory value as well as it's usefulness long beyond that of the cheaply made imports from the Muslim area of the world. Over and over and over again importers stop bringing those guns to the U.S. because they are not a good value. In the land of the free however, a person is free to spend their money as wisely or frivolously as they wish.

 

Not for anything but contract factories make what the contractor asks for and to the contractor's specs. There is a prevailing "if it's made in China it's junk" attitude out there. Then I point out their Apple Iphone and Ipad are made in China. Weatherby products are good products because of what Weatherby asks their contract factory to make, that is a Weatherby designed product(s) made to Weatherby specs.

If you have experience with shotguns built in Turkey that have been dreadful I do not dispute your experience. I just do not get the rampant anti-Turkey bias sometimes. Haven't all CZ shotguns (all actions) and Winchester pumps been made in Turkey for many years now? If they are producing such abject garbage how do these companies survive? You can only produce/sell crap for so long before your reputation gets out, the public turns away, and you go belly-up. Ironically it appears Remington is in deep financial trouble not to mention in the midst of a large trigger recall.

Also, I've only been in the "firearms scene" if you will for three years now but haven't seen any sort of notable decrease in guns imported from Turkey. Just sayin'. I could be wrong.