Shotgun Forum banner

English Stock Advantages/Disadvantages

16K views 23 replies 21 participants last post by  Old_Diabetic_100  
#1 ·
I am thinking about purchasing a double barrel shotgun. Many of the models I have been looking at have English style stocks. What is the benefit of an English stock over a regular stock, if any? Are they more suited for driven bird shooting or are they designed for shooting flushing birds. Thanks, I appreciate the input.
 
#3 ·
My preference is the English configuration and it is just that a preference. Having never had a PG shotgun with two triggers I can't verify slim's post, but many writers, one being Don Zuts agree with slim.
To my eye the slim lines of a straight stock and splinter grip is the way a shotgun is supposed to look. On a gun for gun basis a pistol grip and a full beaver tail fore end will add a little weight.
Double triggers are also my preference even though the need for the back trigger to be used first does not happen often. I have never been able to use the selective trigger button when needing the tighter barrel as the first shot.
Below are a side lock and a box lock configured in the English style with double triggers.
Image
 
#5 ·
I shoot SXS's exclusively for hunting upland game and my preferences run to Prince of Wales stock, semi-beavertail fore end, and single trigger selectable or non-selectable. I have a 16 ga English stocked, double trigger gun, but find the straight grip places my right wrist in an unnatural position and the trigger guard bashes my middle finger to the point of being painful. The advantages of the English stocked double trigger SXS have been well documented by others, but one not often mentioned is they are more readily available than the single trigger, POW stocked SXS's. All that aside, the configuration you choose should be what works best for you, not what everyone else says you should like.

Below are a few guns in my preferred configuration. They work very well for me, but all required extra effort, including special ordering guns to restocking them to get what I needed.

Image


16 ga Tristar Brittany with single selectable trigger, choke tubes, and ejectors. Restocked by Wenig to fit me.

Image


16 ga Dickinson single non-selective trigger, choke tubes, and ejectors. Had to be special ordered to get this configuration.

Image


16 ga Ugartechea M-257 sidelock, ejector, single non-selective trigger. Special ordered through Lion Country Supply with two sets of barrels. One of the barrels now fitted with Briley Thinwall chokes.
 
#7 ·
Advantage:
1) easy way to reduce weight in upland scatterguns
2) looks traditional and fits an image of a SXS
3) Might tend to force-ish the gun into the cheek on the mount...maybe
4) as above...esthetics

Disadvanatge:
1) reduces weight in upland scatterguns
2) Looks like one is affecting an image and fitting into the over-done Jones clan
3) grip cross-sction can be too small...may affect handling and ability to more easily handle somewhat heavier loads...perish the thought
4) esthetics can neglect Form follows Function

Driven birds or flushed matters not a whit.....marketing matters more than a whit.
Fwliw...I never found a SG necessary or at all meaningful in shooting double triggers....perhaps so only if one has arthritis.
 
#10 ·
Hi,

I own both straight/splinter and Prince of Wales/semi beaver stocked guns. What I've learned for my own shooting is that the straight grip is much better for me with double triggers. But I have rather large hands with long fingers. Single triggers aren't nearly the problem. And I find a shallow Prince of Wales to be comfortable to use and an excellent compromise between a straight and pistol grips.

I often find pistol grips to be confining and I sometimes even need to "hang" the bottom of my hand off the stock to prevent the trigger guard from biting me. So I don't really care for the more popular pistol grips.

Dalee
 
#12 ·
I think if you find a gun that feels right you should go for it, no matter the stock configuration. I really like the straight grip and have it on several SxS guns, all with DT's. I also have and like it on one O/U, while my other O/U's have pistol grips and I like them as well. So count me as neutral.
 
#14 ·
I like a straight grip stock on a fast handling field gun with moderate loads, be it a SxS or a semi auto. I like a pistol grip stock for waterfowling and heavy loads - also in a semi or SxS, or on any pump gun.
I do not think there are any real advantages to either other than that is what I like.
 
#15 ·
All my SxS have double triggers. One gun has a pistol grip the others are straight or English grip. It is definitely easier to adjust to the double triggers with the straight grip. The pistol grip pretty much locks your trigger hand into position. It takes some movement to get to the back trigger.
My experience is if you have double triggers, go with the straight grip. If you have a single trigger, then the pistol grip is the best solution.
 
#16 ·
I hunted ducks on occasion with Baker 12 bore with double trigger/ straight stock........worked well for me.
Currently have a 20 gauge with double trigger and with Prince whatschacallit stock................also works good.
:arrow: Really don't see much of a difference between the two??
:idea: I don't like much a sxs with a pistol grip and double triggers........just can't get the hang of them for some reason?? :roll:
 
#17 ·
I have several pistol grip and straight grip doubles, all with double triggers. I find that the straight gripped guns carry much more comfortably for me under hunting conditions, but freely admit that I probably shoot the PG stocked guns a little better at clay targets because of the added control afforded by the grip. Having said this, I prefer the aesthetics of a SG, DT S x S double.
 
#19 ·
I prefer straight grips on my DT SxS guns, for the slight movement I need to select triggers (chokes), which I've done fairly often. I do have one DT gun with a POW stock, which works just fine, too. A true pistol grip doesn't appeal to me on a double gun, and I prefer a more open grip than some guns have on my SAs, too. I suspect it's really just a matter of what we're used to.
 
#20 ·
My straight stock guns all have shorter barrels and are used for grouse hunting in heavy cover. I feel that they point quicker than my pistol grip shotguns. I really like them for quick shots on the fast flushing birds in the brush. However, I shoot my pistol grip shotguns with longer barrels better on pheasants and waterfowl.
 
#21 ·
Tijeras_Slim said:
Only advantage I've noticed is that it makes using a double trigger a bit easier.
There's truth in that.

The 1981 ISSF World Skeet Champion was Tamaz Imnaishvili of the Soviet Union who shot 198x200 and led by two targets over the silver medallist in St Miguel de Tucuman, Argentina. The gun he used was a Vostok non-ejector O/U skeet gun with double triggers and a straight hand stock. If you need confirmation then ask Todd Bender or Matt Dryke who were there too.
 
#22 ·
Old_Diabetic_100 said:
Tijeras_Slim said:
Only advantage I've noticed is that it makes using a double trigger a bit easier.
There's truth in that.

The 1981 ISSF World Skeet Champion was Tamaz Imnaishvili of the Soviet Union who shot 198x200 and led by two targets over the silver medallist in St Miguel de Tucuman, Argentina. The gun he used was a Vostok non-ejector O/U skeet gun with double triggers and a straight hand stock. If you need confirmation then ask Todd Bender or Matt Dryke who were there too.
Exactly my point in an earlier post, find and shoot what works best for you.
 
#23 ·
For me, a straight stock is faster to the shoulder. I like it with a little less drop than a pistol grip. It's more pleasant to carry in the field. Aesthetics are a matter of opinion but I like the classic lines.
All of my regular upland guns are SxS with straight stocks. For doves, waterfowl and sporting clays I like a pistol grip just fine.



 
#24 ·
Riflemeister said:
Old_Diabetic_100 said:
Tijeras_Slim said:
Only advantage I've noticed is that it makes using a double trigger a bit easier.
There's truth in that.

The 1981 ISSF World Skeet Champion was Tamaz Imnaishvili of the Soviet Union who shot 198x200 and led by two targets over the silver medallist in St Miguel de Tucuman, Argentina. The gun he used was a Vostok non-ejector O/U skeet gun with double triggers and a straight hand stock. If you need confirmation then ask Todd Bender or Matt Dryke who were there too.
Exactly my point in an earlier post, find and shoot what works best for you.
Following the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, several former members of the Soviet team switched to using Perazzis. I'm sure Mauro had a hand in that (the switch to Perazzi not the collapse of the Soviet Union :) ).

At the ISSF World Skeet Championships in Barcelona in 1993, a by then much older Tamaz Imnaishvili took the individual silver medal behind Dean Clark shooting a Perazzi MX8 with a single trigger and a pistol grip stock. It just shows a good man can shoot anything :) .