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Gun purchase advice, and Blaser F3 Supersport vs Supertrap considerations?

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3.5K views 9 replies 7 participants last post by  jradsr  
#1 ·
Hi all,

I know no one can tell you what gun is right for you, but maybe you guys can share your wisdom and guidance.

My son's gun is a hand-me-down from one of the guns I used to shoot, which is a Winchester Sporting, modeled somewhat after the 101 but only in production for a couple of years. My son shot high school trap, now shoots at college, and shoots in summer leagues with me. The gun has locking and firing issues and has been to 2 different well respected gunsmiths, and they are telling me it's not worth fixing anymore as they can't find parts and it will cost quite a bit to custom machine things. My son's season was longer than mine, and he ended up shooting my Fabarm Axis RS12 and loves it. I enjoy the quality league time with my son, and he doesn't have the money for a new gun, so I was contemplating helping him purchase a new gun for Christmas. My wife chimed in that she thinks I should just let him keep the Fabarm and get a new gun for myself. I am nearing retirement, and just sold a partial interest in a business, so she is encouraging me to go spend some money on a higher end gun while I am still working and have the money. Well, I don't want to argue with that!

First, some background on me. During the warm season I shoot in multiple leagues and charity tournaments, and have for 30 years. Over time I have shot various sporting and trap guns, ultimately to my current Fabarm Axis RS12 with adjustable rib, comb, and butt plate. One thing I do know about myself is that I prefer a flatter shooting gun. For example, along my trap gun journey, I gladly parted ways with a Browning XT Trap that shot 80/20. I won some leagues and tournaments with it but will embarrassingly tell you I buried the front bead when mounting it so it would shoot flatter. I currently have my Fabarm set at around 60/40, maybe even slightly lower. I am a tall guy with a long neck, and my last few guns have all had high ribs. They certainly mount naturally, without having consciously push my face down or forward to get down on the gun, but truth be told I don't think I've shot any better than I did with lower ribbed guns. I also hunt quite a bit, and have quite a bit of confidence in my shooting abilities in the field, and all of my field guns are obviously low ribs.

I want to buy a new gun, not used, but am unlikely to spend as much as I would need for a Kolar, Krieghoff, or Perazzi. In my research for my price range, Blaser has boiled to the top of my list. The big problem is I can't find one to mount, let alone shoot. I suggested to my wife we take a trip to see one, but we are busy and her opinion was that we would waste money on a trip, so I should just take the chance ordering one sight unseen and if I don't like it sell it, as the loss would be what we would have spent traveling anyway (maybe). I've been looking pretty hard at the Blaser Supersport and Supertrap. Unfortunately, other than the model name, the specifications for nearly every feature uses the exact wording. If I understand correctly from 3rd party sites, the POI of the Supersport is 50-100%, and for the Supertrap it goes from 60 to over 100%? Is that correct? What are the other differences of the gun? I would assume a difference in the height of the rib and stock pitch, but online the pictures pretty much look the same. It looks like maybe the rib is taller on the Supertrap, but not by much. I have found a dealer that has Supersport at a pretty good price. I haven't found as good of a deal on a Supertrap. So, I'm leaning toward pulling the trigger on the Supersport.

Any thoughts?
 
#2 ·
I was unable to determine what league and/or charity shoots disciplines you participate in. I sort of felt you were trap specific but don't know. It might help the trap shooters offer trap specific advise.

I shoot 95% Sporting with only the occasional skeet or trap course when at places like BenAvery or Tucson T&S. Both are pretty much dead in Colorado. I use a couple of "competition" aka Flat Ribs, 32" barrel F3's for everything including the barrels for 20, 28, and .410. I keep a 30" barrel in 12 ga for skeet. Not sure why but I do but seem to do better with it. My custom stock and my factory stock with adj comb allow me 50-50 which as a hunter I greatly prefer. I even shoot Bunker with it along with wobble and double trap.

s/f. Steve
 
#3 ·
I primarily shoot trap. At some point I would like to shoot more sporting clays, but will probably use a different gun for that unless this purchase fits well.

Funny you should mention Ben Avery. My dream retirement is spending a couple of months over the winter down there shooting several days per week.
 
#4 ·
I'll head down there in my 5th wheel Toy Hauler with my Honda cart in the back in mid to late January. I live in the foothills of the Rockies so weather determines all travel that time of year. I'll get to BA in time for a little practice and then shoot the NSCA AZ State tournament 1-4 Feb. We, my wife and bird dog, will remain at BA through Feb and then shoot the NSCA Western regional 7-10 March and, again depending on the weather, head home. There is the Ducks Unlimited Continental at Clark County / Las Vegas 14-17 that would be just a little out of the way:unsure: but Favorite Wife will likely be ready to get home. My F3's will be there and you have a go with them.

There is also, of course, the Gunsite Academy near Paulden, AZ if you want to polish up your center fire skills. In no time at all, I can have you as broke as me :^)

s/f. Steve
 
#5 · (Edited)
Just my two cents but I’m not impressed with Baser. It’s well made with great triggers. Unfortunately that’s where my love for Baser ends. I think their handling characteristics and balance are substandard. Yes you can adjust the weights but you can’t add weight between the hands which leaves it with a barbell type feel. I know two other shooters that owned one and moved on in short order. I’d pay up for a Krieghoff or Perazzi and if that’s not an option, consider a preowned one. Lastly if you want a new gun in that price range, I’d buy a Zoli.
 
#6 ·
I posted this reply over on Trap Shooters, but figure someone may benefit from it over here. :)

Speaking as the guy who runs one of the biggest Blaser dealers in the US, the differences are as follows:

POI:
Super Sport O/U is 50/50 to 80/20
Super Trap O/U is 60/40 to 90/10
Super Trap unsingle is 60/40 to 90/10 unless the high POI plates are installed, in which case it's approximately 80/20 to 110% (or maybe a touch higher)

Rib height:
Super Sport rib height is the minimum required to accommodate the adjustable mechanism
Super Trap is approximately 6mm or 1/4" taller than the Super Sport


Stock differences:
Drop at heel is the same between the two
Drop at comb is almost exactly the same, being plenty either way for the vast majority of people

The nutshell is that if you want a gun to shoot all the games, get the Super Sport—particularly if you don't want/need high POI capability. The Super Trap is designed for trap, and thus the rib is a little too tall for ideal handling etc outside of trap shooting. The Super Sport does not have an accompanying unsingle barrel, making the Super Sport deficient for trap handicap use.

Basically, get the Super Sport if you don't care about shooting handicap.
 
#8 ·
I would recommend also looking at the F3 vantage model - fixed mid-rib. If you ever want to get sub-gauge vantage barrels for the gun, they just go on without fitting. Blaser is a great gun and handles like an Italian gun - not like a Krieghoff or Browning. The finish on the gun wears, but the gun is mechanically great and won't fail you. It is also very easy to balance it to your liking. Definitely make sure you get an adjustable comb.
 
#10 ·
I’m also currently looking at a different gun after shooting a Beretta 682 Gold E for around 25 years. Skeet and Sporting Clays mainly. I’m content with what I have, but finally just “want” something else. I’m looking at several options: Beretta DT-11 or SL2, Blaser SBX, or the Zoli Z-Sport. I’m intrigued by all the different barrel technology available these days.