It is a lovely Sauer & Sohn Modell Nr. XI(11) and more than likely was issued a serial number prior to WWI and completed shortly there after and before 1923. Might be one of the last Modell Nr. XIs. Seems that the mechanic with the script Ms performed some tube knitting. I see at least one of Sauer Crowns denoting either quality or shooting performance. To know the chokes you are either going to have the original test patterns or perform some pattern efforts as choke is strictly tied to shot size.

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Raimey
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Forgo to note that the right tube lacks constriction while the left tube has some constriction.

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Raimey
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Raimey,

Thanks for the information. How were you able to determine the production info? That's a really interesting time frame you are suggesting.

I have heard from numerous individuals already that the Sauers are very strong designs. Should I be concerned about off the shelf ammo for this gun? I know a 2 3/4" she'll fits in the chamber with out forcing, I also know this does not necessarily mean it is chambered for 2 3/4" shells.

Thanks for all the info. I think the gun has a great feel to it. It weighs 6.4# and swings great with the long barrels. I think it's a beautiful gun minus the pachmeyer pad.

 

There have been a couple folks to assemble a date range for serialization & there was a rules change in Suhl in 1912 so all that together provides a best guess for a issue of serial nr. & completion date. Indeed it was proofed for 65mm cartridges and if you adhere to a diet of shorter cartridges, it should last you a lifetime.

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Raimey
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Peter Ravn Lund's effort is one such list:

http://christophfunk.dk/files/3714/2174 ... l_rev2.pdf

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Raimey
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I can't read German. So I am sure I am missing plenty on that PDF. However the serial number listings at the end look to me to say it was made in 1912. Am I missing something in the German text before that?

Your knowledge on this subject is greatly appreciated.

 

It's Danish I believe. No, it was issued a serial nr. in 1912 - and that is an approximation. But it was not completed till later.

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Raimey
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Somewhere it should be marked with a 65 or a 70. (That's for chamber length, in mm.)

65 mm = 2 1/2" length, and 70 mm = 2 3/4".

If not, have it checked for chamber length - most guns of that vintage have short chambers.

The barrels could most probably have the chambers lengthened safely, and it's one thing less to worry about.

 

It's Danish I believe. No, it was issued a serial nr. in 1912 - and that is an approximation. But it was not completed till later.

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Raimey
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That's interesting. Why would they issue serial numbers before they were manufactured? (That maybe a dumb question, but I know very little about these things).

What do you think a gun like mine is worth?

 

Say GECO order 1/2 dozen and they cancelled 1 or 2 of them during manufacture. 6 were assigned and 2 orders were cancelled. So in the white, or some state of completion, the 2 were set back until a need arose and that might account for the post WWI completion date.

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Raimey
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I was able to measure the chamber today. It measured 2 7/8"