You asked and here's something to consider IMHO ? For the new price these are selling for ,
I see their re-sell value at much less , I'm talking about guns only a year or so old and not
even broke-in , in like new condition ! FWIW

I have a KS5 special and it has all of what the KX6 has to offer but IMH opinion the
KX6 is such a pretty gun , with nice wood and all the features a Single Clay target
shooter would want . As far as comparing it to other higher end guns , it can and
does , stay right with the big dogs as a tool for those who shoot them well !

 

I've never heard anything bad about a KX6. The other guns you mentioned are a bit pricier.

 

I shot the KX-6 for several years and have nothing but good thing to say about the model. I did sell it only because I also have 3 different K-80 combo's that I shot as well as the 6. The KX-6 is very simple design and reliable. Krieghoff has somehow take much of the recoil out by what I believe is through stock design and recoil directed straight back into the mass of the gun. I shot over 30K rounds with my 6 without any problems or issues other dropping the gun in Owatonna, MN gun club parking lot and breaking the tang lever that we hand to wait over a month to get one from Germany.

My KX-6 still remains the only gun Ive ever owned that I shot a 100 straight from long yardage handicap with. Every competitive trap shooter will tell you that is the time to start thinking about trading the gun off. At least that seems to be the trend anyway.

Maltz

 

I'm new to ATA trap and mostly shoot recreationally with fellows shooting everything from Mossberg 500s to Perazzi, DT11s and Krieghoffs KX6, K80s. I shoot a Krieghoff KX-5 that I bought used, but started out with a M12 converted to a trap gun. When I went to a big shoot in Elysburg PA last year the shotgun that was mentioned in hushed, revered tones was the Silver Seitz. As in "Oh, look, so and so is shooting a Silver Seitz". I inferred from that, that they are expensive and have a good reputation. IMO, take any quality shotgun built for high volume use, that fits you, hits to your preferred POA and shoot the heck out of it until it's like a part of your body. It doesn't matter much, unless - - - you want people to talk about you and your shotgun in hushed, revered tones.

 

About the only reason I'd prefer a Perazzi, Beretta, or Seitz over a Kreighoff is that those three brands are much handsomer (is that a word?) than the K-gun.

 

Handsomer is in the eyes of the beholder.

 

About the only reason I'd prefer a Perazzi, Beretta, or Seitz over a Kreighoff is that those three brands are much handsomer (is that a word?) than the K-gun.

You must have mud in your eye too ?
There's not much offered in other target guns that , a K gun doesn't already have !
But , I agree with you , some like Blonds for their quick thinking ? I like Red-heads !

 

About the only reason I'd prefer a Perazzi, Beretta, or Seitz over a Kreighoff is that those three brands are much handsomer (is that a word?) than the K-gun.

There's not much offered in other target guns that , a K gun doesn't already have !!

Except looks.
There's a noticeable difference between the styling of German products and Italian products (particularly if those products are guns).
Visually, it's like comparing Rosie O'Donnell with Jennifer Aniston. :mrgreen:

 

Break, I do not own a KX6S, I do own a K80 TS. Having said that I shoot with Two shooters that do own KX6S. One bought His gun shortly after I bought My K80, and the other one bought His after shooting the other man's gun. We have discussed these guns a lot. First, are You a person that likes shooting a rollover comb. Not all of Us do, and the KX6S comes standard with one. Also, these guns come with a fairly high rib, for a topsingle. Might be a good idea to see if You can try before You buy. A big plus for this model, is that it is offered in a left-handed model/stock. Both of these shooters are left-handed. It can take a little while to find them, as They are not as prevalent as right-handed models. This model does come with a pretty good grade of wood, compared to previous models. Lastly, these guns are a pretty good value, as they are ruggedly simple, and I believe They will go a very longtime, without major maintenance, If doubles are not Your thing, and You don't have the budget for a Silver Seitz, this gun is a no-nonsense trapgun that will hold up to some serious shooting on the summer circuit. Good luck in Your decision.

 

I have had my KX-6 Special for 18 months. Beforehand I shot a Browning 725 combo and a Beretta 687 (Joel Etchen) combo. Of those guns, I love my KX-6 Special the best. I must admit I hated the rollover comb. This did not bother me much as I was buying a Stock Lock system anyways.

 

The KX6 Special has been out for several years. What do you mean by "NEW". I don't see any new models on Kreighoff's website.

 

Newest

 

KX6 won't do anything that a BT99 will at a third of the price.

 

The BT99 that would compare closest to the Krieghoff KX6 is their BT99 Max High Grade (with an adj rib, adj comb, & ejector) and that model is only $1K (MSRP) less than the price of a KX6. The Krieghoff will have a better adj trigger, & no barrel porting.

If the std grade BT99 fits you and shoots to your preferred POI, then it would be a great choice and a good way to save money. But if we are comparing like features and grades, a new KX6 is only 18% more than the comparable Browning model.

 

KX6 won't do anything that a BT99 will at a third of the price.

KX-6.......Better trigger, better recoil reduction, more reliability. Even better than buying 3 BT-99's for the same money and having 2 spares.

Maltz

 

KX6 won't do anything that a BT99 will at a third of the price.

KX-6.......Better trigger,

We aren't talking about rifles. A trigger has to be really, really bad before a shotgunner will notice it. Browning triggers (not talking about a BPS) are not, by any measure, bad. My Citori, for example, has a trigger that is crisp, with zero creep. It is, I'll admit, a bit heavy at nearly five pounds, but that can be easily adjusted by a gunsmith.

better recoil reduction,

By definition, actual recoil is determined by gun weight, muzzle velocity, and ejecta weight. Does the Kreighoff have immutable characteristics that give it an advantage in any of these three components of recoil? The answer should be obvious.
Of course, personal fit has a bearing on felt recoil and here again, the K-gun does not have intrinsic advantages over any other brand in this regard, since it is a personal thing and can be readily changed by the user should he/she so desire.

more reliability.

Depends on what your criteria is for determining how reliable a shotgun is. Until your claim can be fleshed out with specifics, I'd have to say that's just an opinion.

I will give the Kreighof the nod when it comes to this: because they generally cost more than the average Browning, they do come from the factory with bragging rights. If that's important to you, then the Kreighoff is definitely the preferred brand over the Brownings.

I like and respect Kreighoffs, but for the outlay they require, would prefer a gun that is actually pleasing to the eye and that shoots just as well.

As Ravenanme said, some like blondes, some like redheads. (I like both)

 

Visually, it's like comparing Rosie O'Donnell with Jennifer Aniston.

well......... damn, that's like havin a third place only beauty contest.

 

You have to shoot a Krieghoff to be able to compare it to a Browning. I have had lots of Brownings and still have a Special Sporting Clay's Edition. For me, as much as I love Browning shotguns, they don't compare shooting wise to the Krieghoff or to a Perazzi. I'm sure that Perazzi owners will say the same thing. There are reasons people pay lots of money for the top brands and it's usually not for bragging rights. Browning's are great guns and I really like them but they're not in the same boat as a Krieghoff and the only way to tell the difference is to shoot them both.

 

My opinion has experience. Have owned and shot several BT-99's, most all B-gun models, the mid-range Browning and Beretta, P-guns, K-guns, Alfermann. In Krieghoff the KS-5, Kx-5, Kx-6, and 4 K-80 combo's the one now using most is the special. Owning high grade shotguns is most about being able to afford them and shooting enough to justify the cost. When I wrote reliability, it was from experience, confirmed by the trapshooting community. After using quality triggers, both pull and release, it easy to call junk.... junk. It is easy to tame recoil with the experience of gun fitting, but the other side of recoil management is by stock design. Hence the custom stock business.

Mudpack
Since I know who you are personally, Larry. Its easy to research your trapshooting experience and its also easy to see your just bloviating having little experience. Better just stick to C-cars to have cred.

Maltz

 

Mudpack
Since I know who you are personally, Larry. Its easy to research your trapshooting experience and its also easy to see your just bloviating having little experience. Better just stick to C-cars to have cred.

Maltz

Steve,
Of course you know who I am; I had PM'd you several years ago and told you. ( I offered, in that PM, to bury the hatchet with you and invited you on a duck hunt with me.)

Does knowing who I am prove my opinion (that the Kreighoff is an un-attractive gun) is not valid?

My opinion on the aesthetic characteristics of the Kreighoff is just that: my opinion. Feel free to convince me that I'm wrong, but don't use ad hominem tactics in the attempt. You aren't the only person worthy of an opinion.

 

Your quote Larry.....
"By definition, actual recoil is determined by gun weight, muzzle velocity, and ejecta weight. Does the Kreighoff have immutable characteristics that give it an advantage in any of these three components of recoil? The answer should be obvious.
Of course, personal fit has a bearing on felt recoil and here again, the K-gun does not have intrinsic advantages over any other brand in this regard, since it is a personal thing and can be readily changed by the user should he/she so desire."

Unless you have owned a KX-6 and shot it, the answer is not just blind science, but design. Get a BT-99 or any Bgun to weight the same as the KX-6S and shoot'em to compare.

You should try a good trigger some time. If you do.... get an average before and after to compare. Could be a two target improvement. POI is based on timing. Trigger, handling and follow timing as well as stock and rib settings. That is the non scientific part, human related and hard to understand for some.

Buying quality, reliability and performance is in style these days. You should go to a real trap shoot, say the KS state shoot in June just down the road from ya. See what avid trap shooters are carrying to the line. You will see many youth shooters using 15000.00 dollar shotguns as well as us old guys.

I will leave the rest unsaid realizing those without experience only have bloviation.

Maltz

 

Your quote Larry.....
"By definition, actual recoil is determined by gun weight, muzzle velocity, and ejecta weight. Does the Kreighoff have immutable characteristics that give it an advantage in any of these three components of recoil? The answer should be obvious.
Of course, personal fit has a bearing on felt recoil and here again, the K-gun does not have intrinsic advantages over any other brand in this regard, since it is a personal thing and can be readily changed by the user should he/she so desire."

Unless you have owned a KX-6 and shot it, the answer is not just blind science, but design. Get a BT-99 or any Bgun to weight the same as the KX-6S and shoot'em to compare.

You should try a good trigger some time. If you do.... get an average before and after to compare. Could be a two target improvement. POI is based on timing. Trigger, handling and follow timing as well as stock and rib settings. That is the non scientific part, human related and hard to understand for some.

Buying quality, reliability and performance is in style these days. You should go to a real trap shoot, say the KS state shoot in June just down the road from ya. See what avid trap shooters are carrying to the line. You will see many youth shooters using 15000.00 dollar shotguns as well as us old guys.

I will leave the rest unsaid realizing those without experience only have bloviation.

Maltz

What you quoted from Larry is correct...its basic physics. He even correctly distinguishes between calculated recoil and felt or perceived recoil and how fit can affect perceived recoil.
You even agree with him when you mention stock fitting and stock design, which relate to fit. You both clearly disagree on how good triggers need to be, but even the best of shotgun triggers I've felt are a far cry from the triggers I have on my custom 1911s, much less my Pardini SP Olympic-quality sport pistol, or the Toz-35 free pistol I used to have (trigger pull measured in ounces), so I can see the reasoning in mudpack's opinion. Other than trigger quality bit, given how much you agree with him, why are acting like such a jerk toward him? Are you sure you're on the right forum?

 

This is not about pistol or rifle triggers. There is no comparison in need performance for a moving target compared to still. I shoot a release, but it matters little if pull or release, the gun must fire exactly when the little spark in your subconscious says its time based on handling and sight picture. Matters less if the shooter is using their conscious mind to fire, but conscious shooting is tiring and soon your subconscious takes over if for no other reason than to protect the owner mentally.

Important is the shot must leave the barrel when expected or a substantial flinch will result. Executing a jerky uncontrol move in the targets direction. We all know what that feels like, all of us that actually shoot clay targets. New shooters start by trying to put this timing into the point. They slowly learn how to deliver shot patterns to the moving target. At the same time the shooters subconscious is establishing said sequence and developing skills to center each target offered. Trap, skeet, sporting each of us develop this timing on every target speed, angle and distance.

Changing guns, new triggers, balance and weight must be learned, but from a baseline already established. we on look for confidence in the new platform. Targets stay the same. Anyone only focused on the science will never develop peak performance. Not that science is irrelevant because part of this timing is related to equipment. From velocity, payload or ammo related issues. Gun fit, handling, timing is as much about human interaction with static science.

I have a long list of reasons not to care for mudpack from both websites noted, but the main one is being a self important contrarian on purpose and never establishing credibility.

Maltz