[USARich]

Suffice it to say your understanding of the Missouri law is flawed. But, that aside, are you suggesting the only thing that keeps you from buying a machine gun is the federal law? So, you're OK paying $15,000 or more for a registered pre-86 gun but just don't want to do the paperwork? Or were you thinking you were going to buy/make one off the books?

I'm just trying to understand how people think. Was your expectation that gun shops were suddenly going to say, "Well, I guess I don't have to do this paperwork now" and that the laws of supply and demand would no longer apply?

You deserve an explanation since you asked.
It’s my contention that pre-86 machine guns are high because no more will be made. I think if a citizen could buy a new one, the prices wouldn’t be so high. There’s a limited amount of pre-86 guns to be had. As it stands, there will never be more. Prices through the roof.
No, I don’t think I can run out and buy one over this Missouri law. I’ll have to settle for my gun rights being infringed on.

 

[USARich]

Sorry, but you have a total misunderstanding of federal gun laws. If you want a full automatic, you would still have to get past federal regulations before anyone would sell you one unless you get if on the black market. Missouri may not enforce Federal gun laws, but the State would still enforce any of it’s own State gun laws. Any FFL holder is not going to jeopardize losing his FFL by ignoring Federal regulations regarding gun sales. Biden often makes reference to FFL who make illegal gun sales and the most laughable thing to say.

Here is a link explains what Missouri is doing.

Missouri Law Enforcement No Longer Required To Enforce Federal Gun Laws

Gov. Mike Parson signed legislation Saturday that invalidates federal gun laws in Missouri.

www.kcur.org

Missouri will not assist the Fed in taxing, tracking and registration of weapons.

“The bill would bar local police from assisting federal agents in enforcing federal laws. And it allows for a $50,000 lawsuit against anyone who knowingly acts under any federal or state law to deprive a Missouri citizen of their Second Amendment rights.”

I live in Missouri. We have no stinking Federal gun laws. 😂

 

[K80TS]

+The whole purpose of federal aid is like an insurance policy. Everyone pays for coverage they hopefully will never need so those who do need it aren't bankrupt when the problem occurs.

It always amazes me that people say they don't want to pay for insurance coverage they think they are not likely to need.

My health policy covers me for hepatitis, brain tumors, and a million other things I probably will never get. But I buy the policy to convert an unknown cost to a known cost. if I do get any of those problems, I am still covered. And we have to average out losses and that requires a lot of people to pay for coverage they won't ever use to cover the people who have to have the coverage.

I have been driving for 50 years. I have never run into anyone, but over that time I have had 4 people run into me from behind. If I could, I would only insure the back half of my car and save on the premium. But that would never work since then people would only pay for coverage that they were most likely to use and it would be impossible to average out losses.

Louisiana is not likely to have a major earthquake that causes catastrophic losses, and California is not likely to have a tornado that causes major damage and flooding either. But we all pay federal taxes to help all of our citizens survive these problems. The Federal Government is our insurance company for these problems. The taxes are the premium we pay for that coverage.

I know I promised no more comment on this thread, but I reject your admonishment as I do not believe in pixies, unicorns or that reckless government spending insures a bright future for the continuation of this country, already 30 trillion in debt and climbing. While Biden is begging for another 30 billion for covid relief, the story broke yesterday that over 80 billion dollars in fraud over extended unemployment has taken place and is being investigated.

This story is being reported by the MSM including Yahoo, MSNBC, CBS and others.

Federal officials warn billions stolen from COVID unemployment benefits through fraud

Federal officials warned Tuesday that as much as $80 billion in unemployment benefits could have fraudulently gone to cybercriminals and international crime rings.

www.washingtontimes.com

 

[Bladeswitcher]

I live in Missouri. We have no stinking Federal gun laws. 😂

Right. All the FFLs have thrown away their 4473 forms and now guns are sold to anyone, anywhere, any time. No paperwork, no background checks. It's a beautiful thing. Why didn't we do this sooner?

 

[K80TS]

Right. All the FFLs have thrown away their 4473 forms and now guns are sold to anyone, anywhere, any time. No paperwork, no background checks. It's a beautiful thing. Why didn't we do this sooner?

But where will the sellers who burned their FFL get their guns to sell, if manufacturers, wholesalers and distributors obey Federal laws and not ship to non FFL holders? I won’t be selling any of my stuff I I don’t get a copy of an FFL before O ship.

 

[Bladeswitcher]

But where will the sellers who burned their FFL get their guns to sell, if manufacturers, wholesalers and distributors obey Federal laws and not ship to non FFL holders?

Why are you spreading negative vibes? The Missouri legislature says the federal gun laws don't apply so that's the end of it. Everybody should be cool with it. It's a glorious thing.

 

[K80TS]

Why are you spreading negative vibes? The Missouri legislature says the federal gun laws don't apply so that's the end of it. Everybody should be cool with it. It's a glorious thing.

Wake me when the other 49 States do the sam ting.

 

[loneranger]

In Kansas they passed a law limiting Federal government from infringement and a few people attempted to bypass the laws for suppressors and ended up barely staying out of prison. Pretty sure they are felons now. If I was going to bypass the federal gun laws I wouldn’t advertise it but there isn’t any class III stuff I want. We will soon lose our pistol braces.

 

[USARich]

Lol. I started this thread because I’m always complaining that our Reps only want money to defend our gun rights. Constant battle. In this case, my illustrious Reps actually tried to do something in the proactive. Every other state should do the same. Maybe Feds would get the bleeping hint.

Don’t be surprised if Missouri creates its own passport system and the Feds can’t even visit.

 

[USARich]

In Kansas they passed a law limiting Federal government from infringement and a few people attempted to bypass the laws for suppressors and ended up barely staying out of prison. Pretty sure they are felons now. If I was going to bypass the federal gun laws I wouldn’t advertise it but there isn’t any class III stuff I want. We will soon lose our pistol braces.

I remember that case.

Supreme Court rebuffs bid to expand legal protections for gun silencers

The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday turned away a bid to widen legal protections for gun silencers in a case involving two Kansas men convicted for failing to register the devices as required by federal law, as the justices again sidestepped a chance to rule on the scope of...

www.reuters.com

Better explanation. The new law basically said if the bought them in Kansas it was not the Feds business.

2 Kansas men ‘collateral damage’ in gun control dispute

The unregistered gun silencers, each stamped “Made in Kansas, were arranged in a display case at a military surplus store in a rural Kansas town.

www.kake.com

 

[lossking]

I know I promised no more comment on this thread, but I reject your admonishment as I do not believe in pixies, unicorns or that reckless government spending insures a bright future for the continuation of this country, already 30 trillion in debt and climbing. While Biden is begging for another 30 billion for covid relief, the story broke yesterday that over 80 billion dollars in fraud over extended unemployment has taken place and is being investigated.

This story is being reported by the MSM including Yahoo, MSNBC, CBS and others.

Federal officials warn billions stolen from COVID unemployment benefits through fraud

Federal officials warned Tuesday that as much as $80 billion in unemployment benefits could have fraudulently gone to cybercriminals and international crime rings.

www.washingtontimes.com

Off topic, but certainly worth mentioning. Do-gooders strike again.

 

[Jeff711]

First I live in Mo. The reason for the law was not to get a pre-68 without all the Fed paperwork, but to prevent new Fed laws involving semiautomatic rifles and mag. It would relive local law enforcement who generally support 2A rights from doing the Feds dirty work. Like any Leo's around here would do it.