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Most powerful factory 12 ga 3" slug

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#1 ·
What factory produced 3" mag saboted 12 ga slug has the most knock down power? I assume its the Lightfield 3" Commander IDS?

Thanks
 
#27 ·
Unless you're my old lady and my bar dbm .300 mag just said click click at a grizzly...o_O. I might go to buckshot. In a mossberg 940 tactical. If nothing else she can throw it to me and Miculek himself would be pleased what i can do with a shotgun when Im real scared heh heh. Of course in 2 years on the ORNG hipower team my m14 never had one malfunction. We'll work it out. :). But i would like to find a 3" load recipe for a grizzly slug. Saw a factory load right at 4000 fpe. Esp if I can tune 70% of the recoil out.
 
#11 ·
Slugshooter,
I think Lightfield phased out the 3inch 12ga IDS 1 1/16 oz slug that listed at 1800 fps. They still offer the 3inch IDS 1 3/8oz Heavy Game slug. Those 3inchers at 1800 fps went offlike cannons but I think there was an inherent accuracy issue with them- though the ones I shot were consistent.
 
#13 ·
I think the Rem Core Lokts have plenty of power to put down anything that walks in North America. I like the accuracy and more important they penetrate good before they expand. You need to make sure your gun can handle the power of the slug to keep it straight. I know in the H&R Ultra Slug Hunter with the heavy barrel shoots them with great results. My brothers 870 is all over the map.
 
#14 ·
Yes Lightfield phased out the Commander IDS and replaced it with the IDS Plus, the slug went from 1 1/16 at 1800 FPS to 1 3/8 at 1700 FPS. That has got to be the hardest factory load on the market. My self I like the Remington Core Lokts, the Winchester Platmium Tips hit pretty hard too but I hear Winchester phased them out in favor of the Dual Bonds. Both the Core Lokts and the Platnium Tips are 2 3/4. I shot the Accu Tips last year and while the accuracy was good I had one shot pass completly through with no expansion and had to track and spend a second shell. First shot was a double lung, second shot I went for the shoulder and the slug expanded fine and took out the heart. My first deer with them the slug worked fine and I recovered it a perfect mushroom.
 
#15 ·
The Rem Core Lokt 2 3/4 is 385 gr and a muzzle velocity of 1900 fps. Ft-lbs are: 3086 at muzzle, 2682 at 50 yards and 2325 at 100 yards. They also expand two times in size. That load will take anything down that walks in North America. Thats more power or energy than any gun I know at 100 yards. In my gun I can group less than 1.5 - 2 inch at 150 yards. I know at that power that would drop a moose in its tracks. Again I use a dedicated slug gun (no removable barrel) so results vary on what you use. People under estimate the power of the new slugs and guns designed to shoot the high velocity slugs.
 
#17 ·
Dixie's slugs would be much more appealing to me if he could load them faster. Instead of a 730 grain slug at 1200fps, how about a 730 grain slug at 1500-1600fps. and load the 870 grain slug at 1400 or more. I'm trying to find a load that can easily harvest musk ox, brown bear, polar bear sized game, without any issues or doubts of lethality.
 
#26 ·
me too, like im ever going to get to alaska. and if a bar dbm in 300 mag w/custom 20 round mags (like my m14) with m16-like recoil in the hands of a former designated marksman wont handle it? 12 ga slugs (or 10) might be too much for someone else, though. Someone I would want backing me up with such a thing- someone kind, and sweet, who might not want that much recoil. Physics is physics. Gotta see extreme muzzle 12 ga muzzle :)breaks. I told barett if they went with a calculus based curve rather than straight lines they would get a lot more brake out of it. Doees anyonee listen? Not til they pull off a freeway, anyhow.
 
#19 ·
Most powerful are the 12 Gauge Shotgun from He!! from Hubel458. If I remember correctly he is well over 35,000 ft lbs, way more than a .50 BMG. Compare that to the 3,800 ft lbs of the Brenneke Magnum Crush. Like shooting 10 of those at once.
Most powerful production would be Dixie IXL-DGS at 109 Taylor K.O. or Brenneke Magnum Crush at 111 Taylor K.O. - Either one is insane destructive freight train.
http://brennekeusa.com/cms/magnumcrush.html
http://www.dixieslugs.com/products.html
 
#20 ·
hornet22savage said:
Yes Lightfield phased out the Commander IDS and replaced it with the IDS Plus, the slug went from 1 1/16 at 1800 FPS to 1 3/8 at 1700 FPS. That has got to be the hardest factory load on the market. My self I like the Remington Core Lokts, the Winchester Platmium Tips hit pretty hard too but I hear Winchester phased them out in favor of the Dual Bonds. Both the Core Lokts and the Platnium Tips are 2 3/4. I shot the Accu Tips last year and while the accuracy was good I had one shot pass completly through with no expansion and had to track and spend a second shell. First shot was a double lung, second shot I went for the shoulder and the slug expanded fine and took out the heart. My first deer with them the slug worked fine and I recovered it a perfect mushroom.
As mentioned earlier, the Dixie cartridges are lacking in energy compared to what else is available.
Are you sure the 1 3/8 ounce is running at 1700 fps? I thought the new one is 1 3/8 at 1800 fps (see: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/prod ... s_id/32194). Roughly 4320 ft-lbs energy. Anyone realize that we're talking charge stopping rifle power here? Imagine what such a load with a brass solid bullet would accomplish. The Lightfields are great for deer, but the slugs they shoot are really soft lead.
 
#22 ·
What you do need is a harder projectile. Factory loads of the kind that did the damage above don't have the projectile hardness needed for tougher game that has more muscle and heavier bones than deer.

Don't get me wrong.....conventional slugs are fine for deer hunting, obviously, but the extra power is best applied to a slug that can make use of it, and a soft swaged hollowbase slug can't.