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NEW Beretta A300 Outlander ???

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#1 ·
I am finding on the web that we have a NEW Beretta semi-auto called " A300 Outlander", but no other details.
Any one knows anything about this new shotgun ???
 
#2 ·
The original A300 was made back in the 60s-70s, forerunner to the whole 3XX series.
I do see the gun you are talking about though, certainly looks current, maybe another version of the 391 for the Euro market.
We will probably never see it in the US.
 
#7 ·
Looks to be a non US model only. It also looks like it could be an slightly updated 3901. There is no bolt lock lever on the left side of the receiver. I also don't see the gas vent in the forny of the forearm. Could also have the AL391/Urika2 gas system and made as a less expensive model.
 
#13 ·
It appears to be a 391 with an A400 gas valve, no magazine cutoff, and with fit and finish designed to keep the cost down. It was announced at the Shot Show this week that it will be available in the US.

The A300 Outlander appears to relate to the A400 the way the 3901 relates to the 391: it is based on the previous model, and sells for a lower price. i.e., it is a downscale economy model.

I want one!
 
#20 ·
I tested it a couple of months ago. It handles like an A302, in fact that is its strongest asset. It is simple, no frills of the Stonecoat etc ilk, and it is low cost. Though not as low as in the USA, no way a Beretta will sell in Europe for 500 Euro, which is about 700USD. The price I got was in the region of 800 Euro. Why American manufacturing would lower the price is a puzzle, I thought American labor costs were higher than European costs.

Benelli has also come out with low cost, plain finished model designed for "hard times". The price is in the same league as the A300.

Now let us see if the styling people will see their way to offer a ribless barrel. It will improve handling no end, simplify maintenance and lower the cost, all in one fell swoop. There used to be a ribless 302 barrel, and it worked so well!
 
#21 ·
"Why American manufacturing would lower the price is a puzzle, I thought American labor costs were higher than European costs."

I think that duties, taxes, fees, and various import costs are a significant factor in gun prices across national boundaries.
 
#25 ·
Shotgunguru said:
Why American manufacturing would lower the price is a puzzle, I thought American labor costs were higher than European costs.
Several reasons. The term "American Manufacturing" is used fast and loose. Have you ever seen a shotgun barrel line at Beretta USA? Has anyone? Has Beretta USA ever made any choke tubes or shotgun trigger assemblies? Do they make beads or screws?

For a product sold in the U.S, loose parts are often not taxed the same way as finished goods. No reason for a U.S.A. product to go to and from a C.I.P. proof house, a costly step. Even many of the most "American" firearms used sourced parts; they have to to be competitive. The so-called "American" 3901 used Turkish barrels intermittently. No proof house in Turkey, either. Where did the stocks come from? There isn't any standard for "Made in the USA" for most products, you don't get the country of origin detail on a shotgun as you might from an automobile, and you likely never will.

Assembly and manufacturing are used as synonyms for marketing purposes and Beretta isn't alone in that one. As far as "labor costs" . . . hand labor has had very little to do with modern autoloading shotguns and continues to have less all the time. Hand labor for what, exactly?
 
#26 ·
"it looks a lot more like a 3 inch chambered Xtrema 2 variation, sans rotating bolt"

Sounds like a good thing, to me, as someone who prefers the pointing characteristics of the 391, but the simple maintenance and lack of "gotcha" parts that the 390 offers. This combo should have been marketed as the 392, a number of years ago, already.