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opinions on 410 options - tube 28 ga 686 SP1 vs buying cheaper o/u

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#1 ·
I enjoy skeet (and less often - trap) as recreation and have no intentions of participating in all gauge tournaments. I am also somewhat recoil sensiitive.

I currently own a Beretta 686 SP1 Field 28 gauge (28" barrels) and a Remington 1100 Competition 12 ga. I do not enjoy picking up shells nor cleaning the semi-auto. So I usually shoot the 28 ga for skeet and enjoy it. FYI - trap range is closer to my home, and I have shot trap )from 16 yards) with both the 28 and the 12 ga 1100.

I have gotten the itch to try more 410 skeet. I have shot a few rounds with rental guns (Winchester 101 and Browning 725). I actually had slightly higher scores with the 410 than I usually get with my 28 (though that is not saying much - lol ). A not-too-far-away club has a 410 skeet league that I am considering.

So, I am considering options to add 410. I would prefer to keep budget under $1000, but $2000 is hard limit.The options I am considering are:
1) Purchase a set of fitted 410 tubes from Briley for my 28 gauge 686 ~ $700
2) CZ-USA Drake or Tristar Trinity 410 ~$650-$750
3) Sell my 28 gauge 686 (and also possibly the 1100) ; Then purchase 28/410 combo 686 (two barrel set). Cost is about $4000 new. My 28 ga 686 SP1 is a 2014 model, so I am not really sure what it is worth. But depending on what I could sell for and whether I sold both current shotguns, this option could range from $500 to $2500 net cost IMO.

So what say you?
 
#3 ·
You could have .410 bbl fit to your receiver as well. Barrel availability though is getting harder and expensive. But it is an option - Coles would be the place to start on a barrel hunt - have them fit it if they can round one up.

I shoot lots of reloaded .410 in briley tubes. Stick with AAHS hulls and you shouldn't have any trouble.

The downside of tubes is your gun balance will change between .410 and 28 ga.

I have the 28 ga field gun also, awesome little gun. I do wish I'd have sprung for the 28/.410 though.
 
#8 ·
I have the SP1 field 28/410 set with 28" barrels. I don't shoot the 28 ga often. To me it recoils more than my 5#5oz SxS. I love the 410. You say you have shot good scores with the Win 101 and Browning 725. Perhaps that platform fits you better than the Beretta. I shoot an old Browning Citori 12 ga for skeet and really like the fit of the Browning. I would not recommend the cheap o/u 410. Been there/done that route.
 
#9 ·
I was facing the same dilemma a couple of years ago. I was shooting my 28 gauge 687 silver pigeon iii for everything, and had the .410 itch. I looked at buying a cheaper gun but it didn’t have the fit and feel of my Beretta. I researched purchasing a set of 410 barrels from Beretta, Coles, and Joel Etchen. The cost getting the barrels and forearm then having it fitted was about 2/3 the cost of a new 687. I hated the way 410 tubes changed the dynamics of the Ruger 28 gauge. My solution was to save up a little more and buy a 410 Silver Pigeon that matched my 28.
 
#10 · (Edited)
I have a dedicated gun for shooting 410 and love it. I am glad I didn't do tubes. It's a Browning 725 and it's based on a 20 gauge receiver with 32 inch barrels. It smokes clays and it's not picky about ammo and great for skeet and sporting. One thing I discovered from this sight and a few older shooters in the know, I have both barrels choked Full. This is the only gun I do that with. When I use skeet chokes the breaks are anemic at best.
 
#11 ·
I have two of the Joel Etchen Silver Pigeon III Sporting in 28/410. As for why two, the #1 gun went down due to firing pins that were improperly heat treated and required replacement at only 7000 rounds fired. I shoot 4 gun Skeet and I wasn't as trusting of the 687 as I once was and didn't want to drop out of a shoot due to a lack of a working gun. Truth is that a 28/410 is all you need for 4 gun Skeet because the 28 will break Targets every bit as well as a 12 gauge. Actually this is also true for the 410 but for shooting Doubles I do want that 3/4 ounce shot charge. I'll also note my primary practice caliber is the 410, they are the least expensive shot shell to load.

So, I just checked Joel Etchen and they do have a 28 inch 410 barrel and forearm in stock for the 28 gauge 686. Cost is 1350.00 and it comes with 5 chokes in addition to a Forearm and Forearm Iron with EELL grade wood. The barrel set will require fitting but the end result is that you will find it balances very well on your 686 and the fit will be identical from the shooting standpoint. I also expect that with some practice you will find the 410 is a Joy to shoot and not nearly as difficult to hit with as some folks claim.

As for going with Briley Tubes, they will add about 1 lbs to your gun and the balance will be VERY Barrel heavy. End result is you will end up shooting something that feels like a very barrel heavy 20 gauge that requires a noticeable amount of effort to get the gun moving.
 
#18 · (Edited)
Option 1: Barrel only


Option 2: ($2326.97) new 686 shotgun


Option 3: Pre-owned 686 410 at Cabelas

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The above Cabelas are listed as “used” but may be unfired. Call Cabelas to confirm

I went through this decision recently and opted for a preowned Krieghoff multi-barrel set (less than $6k all in) with 20/28/410 barrels and fixed SK/SK configuration
 
#22 · (Edited)
I would look at a Franchi instinct in .410. Reasonably priced, good quality, good shooter. Barring that, I'd look at an ATA made gun in .410. Also decent quality for a turk that follows Beretta design.

I shoot a baikal .410. I find it similar enough to my Winchester 101s, and prefer the 20ga ish frame over the super light .410 specific frames. I found those too whippy. It's only disadvantage is being fixed mod/full, but in .410 that really doesnt matter.