Without good pictures of the gun, showing all the particulars such as the serial #, barrel stamping, condition of the wood and bluing, barrel length, etc...it is very difficult to give a ballpark number. If you don't know much about these guns, find someone who does, show it to them, and get their opinion. Legitimate 20 gauge skeet M12s in good or better condition can range from two to three grand. Check the auction sites such as GunBroker, Guns International, etc..and look at the pictures of similar listings and what they are SELLING for, and not necessarily the asking price.

 

The guy I would ask, is the guy I am buying from.
He is our club Winchester guy.
There is one on Gunbroker now but it is a Pidgeon gun. Cracked stock and it is near $3k now.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1083155861
Another that is local but priced high and not selling.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1076879418

That range is what I was looking for.

This is not a skeet gun I am buying. It is marked IC, not skeet.
I don't know if that makes it more or less valuable.

If I buy it I will certainly post pictures.
At least I will get to shoot it first.

Thanks

Jim

 

Why would you buy a pump gun to shoot skeet? I know they're nice and all, but for three grand you could buy a nice 20 gauge Superposed. Or save your money and buy a nice Beretta. But a 20 gauge Model 12 is kinda like the bottom of the barrel as a decent skeet gun. Sorry, but that is just my opinion.

 

I have a full set of Citoris already. Superposed models don't really float my boat. Good condition examples are really expensive.
I also have a full set of 870s and I do really like pumps.
I managed a 50 straight last summer at a inter club fun shoot with my 12 gauge model 12.
I was hoping to repeat that with a 20 gauge.
Plus, I am hoping I am closer to the $2k mark rather than the $3k. We will see this Sunday.


Jim

 

The $2700 gun looks like a legitimate round post Pigeon Grade skeet gun. The $4500 gun is a three pin vent rib skeet and is the bottom of the barrel for Winchester collectors and is not worth anywhere near $4500. As far as the IC gun, we have no idea what it is. No pictures, no appraisal.

 

Connecticut shotgun is double the price on everything. 😡
I don't know anyone who buys anything used from them.

 

What about their generous no-returns policy?

 

Why did this one sell for so much? The box?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1082310977

Jim

 

Why did this one sell for so much? The box?

Box, vent rib, WS-1. Late gun, pics stink. Was the buyer smart? Was he not so smart? Who knows.

As to your question re value of the IC (maybe a Super Field?) without good pics answer is a broad range - say $300 to $3000. That's because we cannot assess originality and condition without pics. Originality and condition matter. Alot. You didn't even give us a SN or range.

 

The auction price is a bit steep for a 20 gauge 3 pin. I'm assuming it is a 3 pin. Any other vent rib option, that would be a fair price. Some collectors don't underrate a 3 pin, some do. The box must have helped.

 

I'll have to wait another week, he forgot it.
He has had it about 15-20 years and it matches his skeet gun perfectly, other than being IC choked and not having Skeet stamped on it.
I mentioned was it a Super Field, and he thought that sounded familiar but wasn't too sure.
He is willing to sell it though.

Jim

 

I still haven't met up with this guy to see the gun. Might have to wait for warmer weather.

I found this local to me on Gunbroker.
Looks all original but a little worn and overpriced. But it checks all my boxes.
I may try and haggle a little if it doesn't sell.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1089596110


Jim

 

Have a look at the M42 this seller has listed as being "all original"....

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1089600274

You may want to reconsider doing any business with this guy. Either he knows nothing about his inventory, or he is trying to put one over on an uneducated potential buyer.

 

I saw that. Even my untrained brain could see it wasn't all original.
The Simmons rib doesn't bother me as much as that Japanese wood on it.

That 12 he has looks nice, but I have a 12 already.

Jim

 

The 12 is a cobbled together fake pigeon. Among other things wrong with it, it dates from 1925 but has post '64 wood. The 20 gauge is the only honest gun of the three that he's selling.
Lousy pictures, and a no-return policy on all. What does that tell you?

 

Did Simmons ever make 28" Skeet barrels for the Model 12. The rib is Simmons marked.
There is one on Gunbroker now and I sent the seller a question about the length and he says it is in fact 28".

Jim

 

You're right, the 20 is an honest gun, an honest $500 gun.