Remington pulled the plug on the 1100 G3 after a couple of years, because I guess it wasn't a big seller. From the description it seems like a nice gun. I would be interested in opinions and experience that people have had with this gun. Thanks very much.
NYShooter
Remington hires some really good people to write those descriptions. :lol:
The money to pay them evidently comes from budget cuts in R&D, Industrial Engineering and Quality Assurance.
The 1100 (a revision of the Sportsman 58) is almost 50 years old. Back then, it was a revolutionary gun, since it was an affordable gas-operated semiauto that actually cycled when you fired it. The first gun in its class that actually worked didn't draw excessive criticism, for obvious reasons.
Since then, guns have come out with better ergonomics, controls, triggers, and gas systems. Remington, however, didn't keep up and doesn't seem able to catch up. Unlike Beretta, they can't even just copy the good features from existing guns (e.g. the Beretta trigger, just like the old Model 12, vs. the AWFUL thing that Remington still puts on its guns).
Remington tried to peddle an obsolete gun, with all its 1950s-era faults, at the same price as a proven, premium design that belongs in this century. They apparently failed.
Those who really want an 1100 can just go get an old one for $200-300, but it seems to me that those who still like the things already have one or more.
The money to pay them evidently comes from budget cuts in R&D, Industrial Engineering and Quality Assurance.
The 1100 (a revision of the Sportsman 58) is almost 50 years old. Back then, it was a revolutionary gun, since it was an affordable gas-operated semiauto that actually cycled when you fired it. The first gun in its class that actually worked didn't draw excessive criticism, for obvious reasons.
Since then, guns have come out with better ergonomics, controls, triggers, and gas systems. Remington, however, didn't keep up and doesn't seem able to catch up. Unlike Beretta, they can't even just copy the good features from existing guns (e.g. the Beretta trigger, just like the old Model 12, vs. the AWFUL thing that Remington still puts on its guns).
Remington tried to peddle an obsolete gun, with all its 1950s-era faults, at the same price as a proven, premium design that belongs in this century. They apparently failed.
Those who really want an 1100 can just go get an old one for $200-300, but it seems to me that those who still like the things already have one or more.
The 1100G3 was essentially a re-packaging of the 3" magnum 11-87. The G3 seemed to flop in the market, perhaps due to its price. Based upon my own experience, a used 11-87 or a new Beretta 3901 Statesman would be a better value.
I would argue that the 1100 was a fresh design in 1963, and still has its merits today, much like other "classics" such as the A5, M12, M37, and M870.
Used Remingtons continue to be strong values in today's market. I've owned about a dozen different Remingtons (some new, some used) and continue to be pleased with each gun. Your mileage may vary.
I would argue that the 1100 was a fresh design in 1963, and still has its merits today, much like other "classics" such as the A5, M12, M37, and M870.
Used Remingtons continue to be strong values in today's market. I've owned about a dozen different Remingtons (some new, some used) and continue to be pleased with each gun. Your mileage may vary.
Remington haters aside, the G3 was a very nicely done gun. The problem appears to be that there is almost no market these days for a walnut and blued 3" semi auto shotgun, particularly at that price point. The desired image for waterfowling has changed for one thing - dramatically. From a clean shaven Nash Buckingham or Curt Gowdy in a fedora and a tin coat with Bo Whoop, or a Winchester Model 12, to today's unshaven camo-faced fully camo clad Duck Commanders who look like they would be just as comfortable as mercenary snipers, beating Cottonmouths off themselves with their Benellis. And, I think it has to be one of the latest Benellis, and "this year's" camo - an 'old' SBE and universal camo simply won't do. Seriously, I think it is a huge thing to be perceived as "the" proper waterfowler, especially by young people. I was probably exactly the same way at that age, it's just that the definition of what's what has changed a lot. I am not saying that's wrong, just that it is. If I had been looking for a new shotgun the G3 would have been it, but I already have five 1100s and a bunch of barrels, with no plastic or camo in sight, and enough is enough. And I am way past worrying about looking the part, I just like a blued and walnut gun that works and fits me.
!5,000+ rounds and counting on my 1100 Classic Trap, with the original O ring it came with in Dec, 2005.NYShooter said:
In the 1990's, my wife's 1100TA, bought used in 1988, went around 30,000 rounds, I changed the O ring as a precaution.
One of our club members bought an 1100 Sporting about two years ago, he shoots 100 shells/week and doesn't miss many weekends at the club, he hasn't replaced the O ring, either.
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I'm sure that's the excuse Remington's management gives, too. There's just no market for such a gun.
But that bit of information would be a surprise to the other companies selling walnut and blued 3" semi auto shotguns for more than Remington tried to charge for the G3, and to clay shooters and upland hunters everywhere.
You must be suggesting that the management at Browning, Beretta, Weatherby, Mossberg, and Winchester are all completely stoned, because every one of these companies has introduced new models of 3" walnut/blue semiautos recently. I'm not buying it. I'm also perfectly capable of seeing what people have at the range and in the field.
Seriously, it's Remington that's failing, here, nobody else.
A close comparison of the guns on the market today will make the reasons perfectly obvious.
It's interesting that there seems to be a love-hate relationship with the G3, or the 1100 for that matter - not only on this forum, but others as well. Some would buy a G3 in a heartbeat and others wouldn't buy one because they think they have long since been surpassed by better designs. I love my 870, but have never shot a Remington semi-auto and I am on the fence about this gun.
I've run about 12000 rounds through my 11-87 trap purchased back in 1988 or thereabouts. Then it was in the gun case for 17 years, and just recently activated again (last August) when I started shooting trap again. It has performed perfectly and I've run probably another 1200 shells, both reloads and factory ammo, through it.
A few weeks ago I purchased an 1100 Competition, only because no one seemed to be able to find an 1100 Classic trap and this gun was more readily available. I shot 50 rounds at 16 yds practice and used it yesterday in doubles. It misfired one AA factory load at 16 yards and jammed twice in doubles - not feeding the second round. I took some heat at club from the over and under guys ....
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A few weeks ago I purchased an 1100 Competition, only because no one seemed to be able to find an 1100 Classic trap and this gun was more readily available. I shot 50 rounds at 16 yds practice and used it yesterday in doubles. It misfired one AA factory load at 16 yards and jammed twice in doubles - not feeding the second round. I took some heat at club from the over and under guys ....
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Anyone want to sing?
Oh, the big green R, she ain't what she used to be,
Ain't what she used to be, ain't what she used to be.
The big green R, she ain't what she used to be,
Many long years ago.
1100 Classic Trap, made Sept. 2005, purchased new, Dec. 2005.BarryD said:
15,000+ rounds and counting, np issues, better finished than my 1976 870TB, which I bought new in Dec. 1976.
I wish my other, recent new gun purchase of another well known brand was as good an experience as buying the 1100CT.
Right. So a gun from 2005 isn't really a current Remington. I have an 870 from somewhere between 2001 and 2005 (can't remember) and I've had no trouble with it.
I had an 1100 from 1971 and there was nothing wrong with it. It was just objectively inferior to the gun I replaced it with, in all sorts of little ways that added up to a big deal for field use (excess weight, crude trigger design, rudimentary stock shape, odd trigger reach that didn't match LOP, mediocre gas system, ridiculous spring retainer, poor controls for hunting rough country, etc.).
That wasn't the trap version, which has a better stock, and I didn't want it for the range. At the range, the 1100 controls are really convenient. In the field, with fences to climb and canyons to cross, the Beretta's cutoff and bolt lock, and the ability to easily unload the magazine or leave it loaded at will, are far better. If you really are going to insert and remove the magazine plug, and clean out crud from the field, the 1100 is downright primitive; for range use, you'd never notice.
But I can't say it didn't work. It worked fine. It was just an early autoloader that has been improved upon greatly since then, in many ways that matter to me. Remington just wasn't the company that did the improving, unfortunately.
I sure wouldn't pay good money for a new one, as a field gun, even with the 3" self-adjusting capability of the G3. The other stuff didn't get fixed.
I had an 1100 from 1971 and there was nothing wrong with it. It was just objectively inferior to the gun I replaced it with, in all sorts of little ways that added up to a big deal for field use (excess weight, crude trigger design, rudimentary stock shape, odd trigger reach that didn't match LOP, mediocre gas system, ridiculous spring retainer, poor controls for hunting rough country, etc.).
That wasn't the trap version, which has a better stock, and I didn't want it for the range. At the range, the 1100 controls are really convenient. In the field, with fences to climb and canyons to cross, the Beretta's cutoff and bolt lock, and the ability to easily unload the magazine or leave it loaded at will, are far better. If you really are going to insert and remove the magazine plug, and clean out crud from the field, the 1100 is downright primitive; for range use, you'd never notice.
But I can't say it didn't work. It worked fine. It was just an early autoloader that has been improved upon greatly since then, in many ways that matter to me. Remington just wasn't the company that did the improving, unfortunately.
I sure wouldn't pay good money for a new one, as a field gun, even with the 3" self-adjusting capability of the G3. The other stuff didn't get fixed.
For the price of used 1100's and someone starting out I don't think they can be beat.I can't comment on an 1187 but the 1100's I have been around, mine and other close friends, I think they are a bargain in todays market.I use one for trap and throw a red dotted barrel on for deer and call it the deer- trap combo. :mrgreen: If the g-3 doesn't perform I wouldn't be happy either.I've got a spare o-ring and after several barrel changes and couple thousand rounds I haven't unwrapped it.
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Remington G3 is basically a renamed 11-87 with added cosmetics. See the 11-87 just wasn't ever the flavor of the week. Inside Remington circles there is distinct factions of 1100 fans and 11-87 fans. This gun has dual identities. Most 11-87 fans won't touch it and most 1100 fans wont touch it. That leaves others outside the circle to buy it. Well Remington isn't the most appealing to many anymore. So sales isn't happening. Plus our economy is slow/bad. Weak sales kill. It isn't a cheap firearm boosting it sales and doesn't offer enough for is retail price boosting sales. With complete failures like the Cti105 and now the new M887 they have dug the hole. I suppose we can keep on supporting them with models dating back 6 decades, but somewhere down the road they are going to have to get their collective heads out of their a$$ and start to be "The first in the field" again.
Remington G3 is basically a renamed 11-87 with added cosmetics. See the 11-87 just wasn't ever the flavor of the week. Inside Remington circles there is distinct factions of 1100 fans and 11-87 fans. This gun has dual identities. Most 11-87 fans won't touch it and most 1100 fans wont touch it. That leaves others outside the circle to buy it. Well Remington isn't the most appealing to many anymore. So sales isn't happening. Plus our economy is slow/bad. Weak sales kill. It isn't a cheap firearm boosting it sales and doesn't offer enough for is retail price boosting sales. With complete failures like the Cti105 and now the new M887 they have dug the hole. I suppose we can keep on supporting them with models dating back 6 decades, but somewhere down the road they are going to have to get their collective heads out of their a$$ and start to be "The first in the field" again.
Thanks everybody, that makes me feel really, really good ..... !! Anybody got an "old" 11-87 trap gun for sale? Ha ! 
I bought my first 20ga G3 18 months ago. Love it because of it's light weight and super slick action. But found out the 20's were not over-bored barrels. Maybe the forcing cones are lengthened, but no recoil reduction from overbore. None the less I love how it handles and shoots. I have an American Skeet Range on my acreage, and shoot a variety of guns. But of late the 12ga G3 I recently bought has been a favorite. Slick and smooth, lower recoil. Loved it so much I bought another. Turned out someone at Gander Mtn swapped barrels with an 1187. I was disappointed, but the seller refunded part of my payment and all is good.
Trying to find a G3 barrel is impossible. Remington discontinued making them last year, and none are to be found. I'd love to find one to make the 2nd gun right. The previous owner never fired it.. pristine in every way. The 1100 barrels won't drop on because the ejector is wider. Could get an 1100 Competition barrel, and have the ejector notch widened. May go that way... but 30" on an 1100 is a bit long for skeet. I have all gauges of 1100's and none that I own have ejection problems even with lite loads. One I used to own liked Win AA for target and would occasionally fail to fully eject a Remington Gun Club. I stopped shooting the bulk pack stuff because it was inconsistent.
Well if anyone has a G3 barrel... (takes Pro-Bore chokes only) let me know... I'll trade you or buy it.
Keep your powder dry... http://ccskeet.com
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Reading some of these comments are good for a laugh because some here have no clue, because the 1100 & 11-87 are great guns. If any Manfacture can come up with something better and out sell it then I will take notice. While some other Auto's are nice as well I have never seen a reason to change.
Any one of you Remington Haters who does not think my Auto's are not reliable is Nut's from Pheasant Hunting below zero to the trap & skeet range there flawless, Just like anything mechanical learn it and clean it after using it and it will not let you down. Duck hunting last fall set a record of 6F when launching the boat, I bagged my Ducks and a couple Canada's with no malfunctions with a 1100 3 inch Mag as I have for the last 40 years. If you are to Lazy to take care of it buy a O/U or SxS because reliability in a Auto shotgun lies with the owner and how it is maintained
Any one of you Remington Haters who does not think my Auto's are not reliable is Nut's from Pheasant Hunting below zero to the trap & skeet range there flawless, Just like anything mechanical learn it and clean it after using it and it will not let you down. Duck hunting last fall set a record of 6F when launching the boat, I bagged my Ducks and a couple Canada's with no malfunctions with a 1100 3 inch Mag as I have for the last 40 years. If you are to Lazy to take care of it buy a O/U or SxS because reliability in a Auto shotgun lies with the owner and how it is maintained
1100 Remington Man says much that is factual. I have made 1100 Mags totally reliable in super cold weather by stripping them of all oils and lubricating with powdered Moly D. This was after the previous owner complained that it would not work for him at all in cold temps. I have owned a wheel barrel full of 1100s, worked on two or three times that many, and can say that the newer graphite coated O rings like Brownells sells, really seem to hold up great. Having said all that, I still think there are newer and better designed gas autos available and in comparison to my favorite, the FABARM semi auto, the 1100 is just a 55 year old design. Just my opinion, and no offense intended or trying to get anyone fired up.
My normal routine of spray and wipe with RemOil worked fine down to minus 11 F. I would no longer venture out into that anyway. I tested RemOil and WD-40 and Breakfree in the freezer at work and they were all fine down to minus 15 F.
When I was young and new to cartridge guns some 30+ years ago (started my shoring career on blackpowder guns), I left too much oil on the firing pin of a Beretta 92 before I went shooting in cold weather. Now, with any gun I shoot if the weather is colder- below 32f- the oil comes off and graphite or other dry lube goes on.
I bought my first 1100-G3 as a 20ga. Loved the slick smooth operation compared to my 1100 20ga Sporting. I sold the Sporting and have enjoyed the G3 very much. So much so that I began looking for one in 12ga. With the overbored barrel, and lengthened forcing cone... more shot delivered into the pattern. I finally landed one, and have really loved it. The lengthened bolt release button really makes loading an easy job. The Titanium/Teflon coating has a classy look and although the larger diameter barrel adds some additional weight, it does little except to reduce the recoil. I shoot only Remington Gun Club ammo in my shotguns. Had some issues with earlier 12ga 1100's not digesting the bulk Winchester and or Federal shells from Walmart. For a few cents more a box the Remington's were flawless.
The 1100-G3 is really an 1187 action. Wider extractor will not fit in the standard 1100 barrel, and of course the G3's accept 3" shells, which has it's advantages insofar as the longer chamber gives shot time to get into the bore, and improves the pattern density.
I have since bought two more 1100-G3 12ga shotguns. One turned out to have an 1187 barrel on it. Quite disappointing, however the seller reduced the price of the shotgun, and I sent the barrel out to Angleport to have the forcing cone lengthened, and it shoots as good as the standard G3 and weighs less. I recently replaced the G3 Stock with a gorgeous fancy walnut stock that Remington sent me. It will hang in my collection until after I pass on. Beautiful shotgun, and shoots very well.
I shoot American Skeet on my private range. http://ccskeet.com I have had the range now for 5 years, and the group has grown to a respectable number which almost always means a full squad. Makes for some fun and a lot of fellowship.
Many people say that the new Remington shotguns aren't as good as the older ones. However I have found that the cheaper ones with laminate stocks or the nylon stocks have not been polished as nicely and are not blued, but have a black oxide finish. These are as good as or better than the older ones.
The 1100-G3 is really an 1187 action. Wider extractor will not fit in the standard 1100 barrel, and of course the G3's accept 3" shells, which has it's advantages insofar as the longer chamber gives shot time to get into the bore, and improves the pattern density.
I have since bought two more 1100-G3 12ga shotguns. One turned out to have an 1187 barrel on it. Quite disappointing, however the seller reduced the price of the shotgun, and I sent the barrel out to Angleport to have the forcing cone lengthened, and it shoots as good as the standard G3 and weighs less. I recently replaced the G3 Stock with a gorgeous fancy walnut stock that Remington sent me. It will hang in my collection until after I pass on. Beautiful shotgun, and shoots very well.
I shoot American Skeet on my private range. http://ccskeet.com I have had the range now for 5 years, and the group has grown to a respectable number which almost always means a full squad. Makes for some fun and a lot of fellowship.
Many people say that the new Remington shotguns aren't as good as the older ones. However I have found that the cheaper ones with laminate stocks or the nylon stocks have not been polished as nicely and are not blued, but have a black oxide finish. These are as good as or better than the older ones.
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