Do the remington heavy dove loads have the same hull design as gun clubs?
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Looks like a "handicap" trap load which has been passed off as a heavy dove load back into the 1970s at least. The main difference is usually a higher antimony content in the trap loads.
Remington sold them in their Premier line with copper plating. I bought a pallet full years ago at a clearance sale. I used them for FITASC and shooting birds during dog trials.
A 1 1/4 oz, 3 1/4 dram (1220 fps) load has been known as a "pigeon" load for well over a century, probably closer to a century and a half. These were high quality loads, usually the flagship of any company. It has also been called a "light field load", usually with lower quality components, in comparison to what was once known as a "high power" or "high brass" load with 1 1/4 oz of shot and 3 3/4 drams (1330 fps) is now considered a standard field load.
Remington sold them in their Premier line with copper plating. I bought a pallet full years ago at a clearance sale. I used them for FITASC and shooting birds during dog trials.
A 1 1/4 oz, 3 1/4 dram (1220 fps) load has been known as a "pigeon" load for well over a century, probably closer to a century and a half. These were high quality loads, usually the flagship of any company. It has also been called a "light field load", usually with lower quality components, in comparison to what was once known as a "high power" or "high brass" load with 1 1/4 oz of shot and 3 3/4 drams (1330 fps) is now considered a standard field load.
It is indeed marketing!
Promotional 12 gauge shotshells or dove & quail loads have long been standardized at 1 ounce @ 1290 fps, (3.25 dram equivalent). In an earlier time that load level was chosen as the lowest price point promo load with enough power to operate most long recoil autoloading shotguns.
Back in the late 1980s, some of the bean counters in marketing pushed 7/8th ounce 12ga promo loads and some even tried packaging in 20 round boxes. Those didn't go over well Peoria or along the Gulf Coast!
Anyway, one ounce promo dove loads have been around a long time. And remain a popular choice among casual shotgunners simply looking for the greatest number of "Bangs" for their buck!
Promotional 12 gauge shotshells or dove & quail loads have long been standardized at 1 ounce @ 1290 fps, (3.25 dram equivalent). In an earlier time that load level was chosen as the lowest price point promo load with enough power to operate most long recoil autoloading shotguns.
Back in the late 1980s, some of the bean counters in marketing pushed 7/8th ounce 12ga promo loads and some even tried packaging in 20 round boxes. Those didn't go over well Peoria or along the Gulf Coast!
Anyway, one ounce promo dove loads have been around a long time. And remain a popular choice among casual shotgunners simply looking for the greatest number of "Bangs" for their buck!
When I was a dumb kid many years ago, I didn't read anything but the description and the caliber. I needed 12 gauge shells and if they said, "Dove load" or "Dove and quail" that was all I needed to know. (I might also look at the price if I had a choice in the store...)
Nowadays when I buy shells I look at the caliber, the weight of the load, the size of the shot, and the FPS and I don't pay any attention at all to the description.
I also probably pay more attention to the color of the hull so I can more easily keep everything straight when shooting at competitions. For instance, back in the fall I bought 10 flats of these Remington "Heavy Dove" loads because they were 1 1/8 oz 7.5's less than 1300 FPS and came in a green hull.
Nowadays when I buy shells I look at the caliber, the weight of the load, the size of the shot, and the FPS and I don't pay any attention at all to the description.
I also probably pay more attention to the color of the hull so I can more easily keep everything straight when shooting at competitions. For instance, back in the fall I bought 10 flats of these Remington "Heavy Dove" loads because they were 1 1/8 oz 7.5's less than 1300 FPS and came in a green hull.
Used to be that it took 1 1/4 ounce of shot to be labeled a heavy 12 gauge field load by most of the ammo makers. Seems over the last 10 years, 1 1/8 ounce has taken on that label. You can dislike the change, but the change is out there. Generally, calling things differently than what the manufacturers label them just leads to confusion.
good luck, garrisonjoe
good luck, garrisonjoe
That is the load that used to be called Remington Shurshots. Good hull, cheap shot like the game loads, but 1/8 oz more of it than in the game loads.
12 ga 3-1/4 dr eq 1-1/8 oz (1255 fps)
20 ga 2-1/2 dr eq 1 oz (1165fps)
Personally I like the old orange boxes better.
12 ga 3-1/4 dr eq 1-1/8 oz (1255 fps)
20 ga 2-1/2 dr eq 1 oz (1165fps)
Personally I like the old orange boxes better.
God, don't blow a blood vessel. Years ago Remington use to have over 30 different boxes of 12ga hunting loads. On their boxes they have squirrel, dove, pheasant, duck, goose, rabbit, quail, crows, snipe, you name it, they printed it. And there was different size shot for each at different velocities, and I don't think anyone back then was complaining. But then if I had my own dove fields I guess I could demand my guest to shoot whatever I thoght they should and tell everyone on the internet what is or isn't a heavy load. And your own skeet field. Now I'm really impressed.
Great post. They are a good hull to reload. Fine shell for SC and especially if you can get your hands on some 8’s. Similar to the Gun Clubs and Sport Loads that one time also had a brass washed base. Base could be a washed brass on these also. Easy enough to check with a magnet and if they are steel that’s fine, who cares.
If a Remington hull is your problem let me know. I can get some out to you. I can give you enough to keep you reloading. Can’t imagine a box full of once fired can cost that much to ship. Hate to see you buy those just for the hulls.
Your pic stirred up some controversy with the dove hunters. Those shell would work fine for that. Heck doves they can be hunted a million way and the shooter not be wrong with the shells he is using. Dove hunting I done a lot of in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s (land use, lack of farming and construction) knocked the heck out of it. I still go on occasion if I get hungry for some.
I shot a lot of 3 1/4 dram, 1 oz., 7 1/2’s and 8’s for doves. They got the job done. Years back I took a liking to a few boxes of Winchester AA Super Pigeon loads. They were 3 1/4 dram, 1 1/4 oz. shot @ 1220 fps. I’ve reloaded the factory load ever since.
When I get home I’ll dig up some of my old dove load boxes and post a pic.
If a Remington hull is your problem let me know. I can get some out to you. I can give you enough to keep you reloading. Can’t imagine a box full of once fired can cost that much to ship. Hate to see you buy those just for the hulls.
Your pic stirred up some controversy with the dove hunters. Those shell would work fine for that. Heck doves they can be hunted a million way and the shooter not be wrong with the shells he is using. Dove hunting I done a lot of in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s (land use, lack of farming and construction) knocked the heck out of it. I still go on occasion if I get hungry for some.
I shot a lot of 3 1/4 dram, 1 oz., 7 1/2’s and 8’s for doves. They got the job done. Years back I took a liking to a few boxes of Winchester AA Super Pigeon loads. They were 3 1/4 dram, 1 1/4 oz. shot @ 1220 fps. I’ve reloaded the factory load ever since.
When I get home I’ll dig up some of my old dove load boxes and post a pic.
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