Remington model 1900. 16 gauge, serial 3864XX. Barrel marks under the forearm are XKE B4. Forearm iron and wood are both marked 3864XX Barrel hinge lug is marked 285 and 288. Water table on receiver has 3864XX on one side and 705 under the patent date of Oct 30th 1894 on the other side. In the lower part of the receiver were the barrel hinge lug goes it is marked 2007 J. Barrel blueing has turned to a brown patina, bores are excellent, case colors have darkend. There is no rust on this gun. Wood shows no marks, scratches or dings and would be excellent but the stock does have a inch long crack behind the receiver. Original Remington butt plate. Remingtons page tells me that the K stands for steel barrels and the E stands for ejectors. Can anyone tell me what the X ,B4 and the other numbers mean? Is this a later model 1900? What would the value be? Thanks for any help!!
kdmranch
KD : are you sure you read the Remington page right. The 1900s I have had and seen were marked: KED for Damascus ejector, KD for Damascus non ejector, KEO for Ordnance Steel(FLUID) ejector and KO for Ordnance Steel non ejector. Sounds like a nice gun, except for the Typicalcracked stock. Worth $450 to $550. Bushrod
Bushrod
I went back and checked the remington 1900 page again and it says that K= remington steel barrels. If you would like to have a look for your self I will post the link. My wife came home with this little gem today. She picked it up for less than $300.00. I guess we wont get hurt on this one. thanks for the reply. www.remington.com/aboutus/history/m1900.htm
I went back and checked the remington 1900 page again and it says that K= remington steel barrels. If you would like to have a look for your self I will post the link. My wife came home with this little gem today. She picked it up for less than $300.00. I guess we wont get hurt on this one. thanks for the reply. www.remington.com/aboutus/history/m1900.htm
First of all, your gun was made in 1910 (the last year of the 1900). KE means field grade with ejectors. All 1900's were field grade. The 285 and 288 are the number of shot that hit the 30 in. circle when the factory test fired the gun. I don't think anyone is sure how many shot were in the shells they used for 16 ga. However I believe that you have full choke in both barrels. I have never seen an X before the graded numbers and I am puzzled by the B4. Maybe someone else can explain these.
remroc1
thanks for the information. I looked at the barrel marking on this gun again and I believe the X and B4 marks are original. They are of the same size and depth as the KE marks. Also you are correct about about the short chamber length, it is 2 9/16. I may take it in to see about opening it to 2 3/4, I may want to take this one in the field someday.
thanks for the information. I looked at the barrel marking on this gun again and I believe the X and B4 marks are original. They are of the same size and depth as the KE marks. Also you are correct about about the short chamber length, it is 2 9/16. I may take it in to see about opening it to 2 3/4, I may want to take this one in the field someday.
remroc1
thanks for the information. I looked at the barrel marking on this gun again and I believe the X and B4 marks are original. They are of the same size and depth as the KE marks. Also you are correct about about the short chamber length, it is 2 9/16. I may take it in to see about opening it to 2 3/4, I may want to take this one in the field someday.
thanks for the information. I looked at the barrel marking on this gun again and I believe the X and B4 marks are original. They are of the same size and depth as the KE marks. Also you are correct about about the short chamber length, it is 2 9/16. I may take it in to see about opening it to 2 3/4, I may want to take this one in the field someday.
remroc1
thanks for the information. I looked at the barrel marking on this gun again and I believe the X and B4 marks are original. They are of the same size and depth as the KE marks. Also you are correct about about the short chamber length, it is 2 9/16. I may take it in to see about opening it to 2 3/4, I may want to take this one in the field someday.
thanks for the information. I looked at the barrel marking on this gun again and I believe the X and B4 marks are original. They are of the same size and depth as the KE marks. Also you are correct about about the short chamber length, it is 2 9/16. I may take it in to see about opening it to 2 3/4, I may want to take this one in the field someday.
Hi Guys, This is my 1900 Remington SXS.
I dug up some photos I have of this gun. I need to purchase the book on these guns but if you have any other info about it please let me know.
From my research this gun is number #544 out of 99,000 appx. Serial blocks starting a 300,000. Attached are images I will also be posting more photos as I can only post 3 at a time. From doing a little bit of math and assuming that all numbers each week were the same, this gun would be month 1 end of week 3. But I aim sure that each week was a different batch number of guns being made. I am curious if anyone knows what is the earliest existing one? From my understanding all the guns parts match each other or numbers matching. I really don't know much about the history as the the gun was used 3 generations ago and the other 2 generations really didn't use guns. I haven't done anything with this gun yet as far as restoration or just oiling/waxing for storage.
Please enjoy and let me know what you my know more about it.
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I dug up some photos I have of this gun. I need to purchase the book on these guns but if you have any other info about it please let me know.
From my research this gun is number #544 out of 99,000 appx. Serial blocks starting a 300,000. Attached are images I will also be posting more photos as I can only post 3 at a time. From doing a little bit of math and assuming that all numbers each week were the same, this gun would be month 1 end of week 3. But I aim sure that each week was a different batch number of guns being made. I am curious if anyone knows what is the earliest existing one? From my understanding all the guns parts match each other or numbers matching. I really don't know much about the history as the the gun was used 3 generations ago and the other 2 generations really didn't use guns. I haven't done anything with this gun yet as far as restoration or just oiling/waxing for storage.
Please enjoy and let me know what you my know more about it.
Looks like a nice example of an early K-Grade. The K-Grade Remington Hammerless Double was introduced with a flysheet inserted in some of the Remington Arms Co. 1899 catalogs. To date a Remington Arms Co. catalog dated 1900 has not surfaced. Here is the K-Grade page from the first 1901 Remington Arms Co. catalog --
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On page 6 of the first 1901 Remington Arms Co. catalog, they introduced the KED-Grade with ejectors and two-stripe Damascus barrels, stating they will be ready for delivery about July 1, 1901 --
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The K- and KED-Grades remained the offerings through the second 1901 Remington Arms Co. catalog and both 1902 Remington Arms Co. catalogs. In the 1903-04 Remington Arms Co. catalog they added a Damascus barrel extractor gun, the KD-Grade --
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For 1906 Remington Arms Co. filled out the line adding the Remington Steel barrel ejector gun, KE-Grade --
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Note the prices shown in the catalogs are the List Prices. The actual Net Prices were K-Grade $25, KE-Grade $28.50, KD-Grade $30 and KED-Grade $33.50.
The numbers stamped on the bottom of the rear barrel lug are the pellet counts from targeting the gun. If it is a three-digit number that is the count in a 30-inch circle at forty yards. If it is a two-digit number a leading 3 is implied. From surviving hang-tags we know Remington targeted their 12-gauge guns with a load of 1 1/4 ounce of #8 chilled shot going 511 pellets to the load. So, your gun printed 328/511 = 64.2% right and 332/511 = 65.0% left.
On page 6 of the first 1901 Remington Arms Co. catalog, they introduced the KED-Grade with ejectors and two-stripe Damascus barrels, stating they will be ready for delivery about July 1, 1901 --
The K- and KED-Grades remained the offerings through the second 1901 Remington Arms Co. catalog and both 1902 Remington Arms Co. catalogs. In the 1903-04 Remington Arms Co. catalog they added a Damascus barrel extractor gun, the KD-Grade --
For 1906 Remington Arms Co. filled out the line adding the Remington Steel barrel ejector gun, KE-Grade --
Note the prices shown in the catalogs are the List Prices. The actual Net Prices were K-Grade $25, KE-Grade $28.50, KD-Grade $30 and KED-Grade $33.50.
The numbers stamped on the bottom of the rear barrel lug are the pellet counts from targeting the gun. If it is a three-digit number that is the count in a 30-inch circle at forty yards. If it is a two-digit number a leading 3 is implied. From surviving hang-tags we know Remington targeted their 12-gauge guns with a load of 1 1/4 ounce of #8 chilled shot going 511 pellets to the load. So, your gun printed 328/511 = 64.2% right and 332/511 = 65.0% left.
One other thing, that number stamped on the bottom of the right barrel near the forearm loop is said to be the weight of the gun. None of my nine Remington Hammerless Doubles have that?!?
P.S. on this site you don't have to use a photo hosting service. Just click on the paper clip at the bottom and of your post and attach photos directly from your computer.
P.S. on this site you don't have to use a photo hosting service. Just click on the paper clip at the bottom and of your post and attach photos directly from your computer.
Thank you very much for the information! The number stamping you are talking about, are you saying that is 7lbs 8oz? I was wondering what that meant. There is also a small D above the 3 slashes any idea on that? or the small F? Any idea what month these guns were starting to be manufactured?
What you are seeing as a D is just part of a combined J P that is believed by some to be the tube supplier's mark. Dr. Drew is the man for information on tube suppliers.
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These are often partially or completely filed off as the barrel set if made and finished.
The fly in the ointment of the above is that in the 1897 Remington Arms Co. catalog that introduced Remington Steel on the A-quality Model 1894s says it is manufactured in their own works?!?
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The meaning of most of the other letters and numbers stamped have been lost to the sands of time.
These are often partially or completely filed off as the barrel set if made and finished.
The fly in the ointment of the above is that in the 1897 Remington Arms Co. catalog that introduced Remington Steel on the A-quality Model 1894s says it is manufactured in their own works?!?
The meaning of most of the other letters and numbers stamped have been lost to the sands of time.
What you are seeing as a D is just part of a combined J P that is believed by some to be the tube supplier's mark. Dr. Drew is the man for information on tube suppliers.
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These are often partially or completely filed off as the barrel set if made and finished.
The fly in the ointment of the above is that in the 1897 Remington Arms Co. catalog that introduced Remington Steel on the A-quality Model 1894s says it is manufactured in their own works?!?
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The meaning of most of the other letters and numbers stamped have been lost to the sands of time.
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That is interesting. Unfortunately your right so much interesting info is just lost to time.
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These are often partially or completely filed off as the barrel set if made and finished.
The fly in the ointment of the above is that in the 1897 Remington Arms Co. catalog that introduced Remington Steel on the A-quality Model 1894s says it is manufactured in their own works?!?
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The meaning of most of the other letters and numbers stamped have been lost to the sands of time.
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That is interesting. Unfortunately your right so much interesting info is just lost to time.
This might help.
I believe that Remington DID produce decarbonized steel tubes
Pre-WWI Shotgun Barrel Steels – Remington Society of America
I believe that Remington DID produce decarbonized steel tubes
Pre-WWI Shotgun Barrel Steels – Remington Society of America
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