If you check the base wad, you will see it's molded in the same plastic as the rest of the hull. That makes it a Remington Premier (aka STS) design. It will load real well with STS loads. A Win AA-HS load will also work, but may need a little tweaking of height.

The base cover (what is called "brass") is a copper plate on (probably) steel, just like the Gun Clubs have (except it's a silver-colored cadmium plate on them). The hull can have either a 6 petal (very common) or an 8 petal crimp. Pay attention to that when you load so you either match the petal count with your crimp starter, or maybe use a smooth conical crimp starter.

Don't pay attention to the height of the "brass" head cover. It's makes no difference as to the power capability or the loads that work in the hull. This is a tapered-wall hull, so it is not real well suited to making heavy hunting loads.

What are you meaning with your "cf" abbreviation - centerfire perhaps? Plastic Shotshells made now are all centerfire, and the name really is no longer used with shotshells.

good luck, garrisonjoe

 

Sorry I was referring to compression formed

 

Well, the STS type design is one-piece injection molded. This Rem hull is a tapered wall hull, close to what Winchester called their "compression formed" hulls. So you usually won't see Compression Formed applied to a Remington hull.

But, yeah, you can use very similar load data between Remington STS and either of the Winchester AA hulls, but slight volume differences will mean you will tinker with stack height or wad selection to get a perfect crimp.

good luck, garrisonjoe

 

So injection molded and compression formed can use the same load data minus minor stack height adjustments. Also does anyone have any experience with br5 powder? It's a surplus powder from Jeff bartletts reloading.

 

You have a Remington unibody hull. Use STS/gun club/unibody data to load.

 

This post wins the prize...

I have loaded them and shot them new when they came out. Time flies so please do not hold me to this, but maybe late 70's to late 80's ??

Good ole Remington hull...

Merry Christmas

 

I wonder if this one dates clear back to the Peters Blue Magic hull era. If it does, then it's internal capacity is well less than the current STS series. Perhaps even a bit less than Win. CF's.

 

They are definitely old but I dont know how old. I do have some blue peters also

 

Weigh one of your hulls, tare the scale, and then fill it with water (or shot) to the crimp fold line. Weigh again and record the grains of water (or shot). Then do the exact same for an STS hull, and for a Win AA-CF, and lastly for a Win AA-HS. More volume generally equates to lower pressure, and visa-versa.

 

I was wondering if there were something like that I could do. Thanks ill definitely try that. All the hulls I have are probably 20 plus years old I believe.

 

If you add too much water, a rapid dip of the rolled up corner of a paper towel into the water in the hull will soak up the excess in a hurry.

 

There is definitely a difference the compression formed held the least for sure. Its heaviest to lightest left to right.

 

Thanks! Just as I suspected, less capacity than the Win. AA-CF. Any chance you could list the weights and the media?

 

For clarity, weights here mean only internal capacity weights to the crimp line, and not weight before tarring out the scale.

 

Peter's Blue Magic, Remington Premier, STS, Nitro, Gun Club, Federal HOA and some black game hulls like the ones pictured all reload the same. You can't measure water volume with these hulls and come up with anything meaningful, because the hull lengths vary. You can do that with centerfire cartridges, but not with shotshells, unless all the hulls are the same length, which these are not.

There is no reason to even bother loading them like Winchesters, there is a pile of data just for these hulls. But they will reload a lot like the old Winchester CF hulls.

Remington unibody hulls, which is what these are, are not compression formed.

 

Weighing hulls? It tells you how much the hull weighs, which is actually meaningless. If you want to know what hull you have you cut it down from crimp end to the metal head.

I don't get this, why are you making this so difficult? This is simple, the two black hulls are Remington unibody hulls. Load them like an STS/Nitro/Gun Club and get on with it.

 

I'm not arguing but if you only filled the case to the crimp line what does oal have to do with it. My son is starting to shoot trap with his 4h club so I'd like to have this down in the next couple months. Im using a single stage so I need to get out ahead of him.

 

You can't go by the crimp line, The crimp requires the same length of material, whether the hull is 2 3/4" long or 5' long. Measuring hulls with water is a waste of time and good water.

Have you folks been hittin' the sauce heavy today?

 

If you crimp all hulls using the same settings on your press, the crimp lines all eventually get in line...

 

Yes you obviously tare the hull or you learn nothing. Im probably wasting my time but it is interesting to see the difference i used water and there is a capacity difference whether it means anything or not

 

The Remington hull has lower base in it than the Winchester CF hull, but in actual loading practice that means -zero-, because the loadings sometimes mirror each other exactly. So why measure the volume with water? Water volume, what does it tell you, except to confuse the issue?

Isn't it better to cut the hull down, identify the hull and then use the correct loading data? And for those hulls there are tons of it. Seems a lot simpler to me. K.I.S.S.

 

I don't understand eather. There a Remington unibody hull. I still have a handful. They load the same as any other Remington unibody hull.

 

Ok thanks I think my confusion was compression formed vs uniboby maybe my book is too old or im an idiot rifle is so much more straight forward

 

rifle is so much more straight forward

Yeah, all that ever happens is a shoulder shoved to the wrong location, or a neck that is too tight or loose, or a case that stretches to separation.
Shotgun reloading is a much different hobby than loading centerfire cartridge. As has been said many times before.

 

......and Yes I am completely bored today as my flights back east to spend the holidays with family got messed up and I am home trying to make conversation with two GSP's, who are less amused then I am!!! LOL

I'll leave you two alone.....have fun!!

 

I'm new enough to this that any advice is good advice. And don't worry there's nothing wrong with being easily amused.

 

Way too much cogitating on this one.
Why all the hemming and hawing and discussion of how much water they hold or can one use Winchester data.
Tons of Remington data out there. They load just like STS or Gun Clubs. Load’em. Shoot’em.

 

I apologize it seems I stepped into someone's safe space and hurt their feelings

 

You are doing the right thing and trying to be safe.