"some program where I can buy a new Citori for half price"

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

BTW people's opinions about Stoegers have nothing to do with wood, engraving, or a firing pin here and there. It has to do with something else you said, which is that you want a gun that works.

I hate to see you learn that expensive lesson on your own scarce dime, but clearly you've made up your mind already. Best of luck. Maybe you'll get one that works. Some of them do.

Personally, I'd say that you might want to re-think "I want an O/U" when you say it's just "a gun that I'm just using as a toy." For $650 new, you can get a brand new Beretta A300 semiauto, with adjustable fit (which you will find out, is a big advantage). It's Beretta's value-priced model, but my experience with their "value" guns is that they're built just as well as the expensive ones. "I want" does not mean "I should spend my resources on." We all want lots of things.

The O/U is more expensive to build than a repeater. You generally can't get a gun of decent quality, new, under $1000. Again, not walnut figure, engraving, etc., but simply acceptable quality. And I'm not saying "compared with a Perazzi" either.

Again, I'm sure you'll have to learn on your own dime, but I would feel remiss not giving a shot at a reality check.

Come to think of it, check out CDNN's Lanbers. They are no longer imported to the US, but they're relatively decent O/Us at blowout prices, under $1000 because they're being cleared out. The only catch is, they're no longer being imported, so service, if required, might be an issue.

Or, get a used gun. It's easier to get a good used gun at an acceptable price, than a new one.

Your best bet remains a semiauto. You can get a GOOD one, off the shelf, for $650, in the A300.

 

I have a semi-auto. I appreciate your opinion, but like I said, I want an O/U. One thing I need to ask is have you ever owned a Stoeger, or are you just saying that they don't work based on what you've read and the assumption that inexpensive=cheap? The reason I ask, is because I have also read plenty, here on SW, that have shot them a whole lot more than I will and they are still chugging along. Thank you for responding to the remarks I made in the second paragraph and I will look into the Lanbers along with continuing to look on the used market, but I am more interested in finding an answer to if there are any military discount program for shotguns like there are on GLOCKs.

 

Never heard of a discount program at the national level. Some shops may have a military discount, but I doubt it would exceed 10%.

As far as Stoegers are concerned I only know one person who has one. A fairly low volume shooter, and it usually goes bang when he pulls the trigger, but not always.

 

My Stoeger Condor 12/20 combo went bang 1,500 times before I traded it in on a new 20 ga. CZ Winshooter. I wish I had kept it.

My stepson is a military officer and heavily involved in trap & skeet shooting. He's told me about some great hangun deals he eligible for, but nothing about long guns.

Personally, if I could swing an extra couple bucks, I'd buy a Lanber over a Stoeger. I own a 2087 and it's my primary sporting clays gun. It's a better gun.

 

I've seen my share of Stoegers. I would not recommend anyone buy one. You sound like you know about Glocks. A Stoeger is not in the same quality ballpark as a Glock, it's quality is more equal to a Jennings handgun or other Saturday night special. There are many many good quality shotguns in your price range, but new over and unders are not among them. Don't come here looking for us to lie to you just so you can hear what you want to here. No discounts I'm aware of on shotguns to those who serve and protect. Our taxes pay your salary, and once you get it you can spend it wisely or pee it away. Whatever you end up getting I do hope it turns out to be everything you want it to be.

 

Most of the larger post exchanges are offering guns for sale. Check with them to see what kind of deal you can get. I also recommend a used O/U such as those already recommended. Buying cheap guns will end up in disappointment and a lot of time trying to get them fixed and you will end up buying those that are recommended here. Save yourself a lot of time and frustration.

 

"One thing I need to ask is have you ever owned a Stoeger, or are you just saying that they don't work based on what you've read and the assumption that inexpensive=cheap? "

I have never owned a Stoeger. I was on the Board of Directors of a range that was open 7 days a week, with lights for night shooting, and sometimes a two hour wait to shoot. We offered rental guns, and I got to see inside a good few of them. I'm no gunsmith, but I know a few things about machining and parts.

I have never spent MY money on one, because I knew others who did and I learned by observing, not by paying my own money. That's why I haven't owned one, myself.

"like I said, I want an O/U"

And like I said, we all want a lot of things. Some of them, we don't have the money to buy. A lot of them. The world is full of nice stuff that I can't afford. I once learned, the hard way, that there's nothing more expensive than a cheap Porsche, unless it's female. I'm not saying I've never been stupid, myself. I didn't listen, either. I thought people were just snobs or something. :roll:

Do what you want, but I'm with Oldfarmer 100%: "Don't come here looking for us to lie to you just so you can hear what you want to here."

Good luck.

 

Why would a manufacturer of shotguns (especially sporting shotguns) do this? Glock does it to get LEO's carrying the same thing off duty that they carry on duty.

 

Why would Glock offer it to the military as hardly anyone in the military carries a Glock? I'd say they do it out of appreciation for what the military does.

 

Don't come here looking for us to lie to you just so you can hear what you want to here.

Wasn't looking for a lie or to justify a bad purchase and I don't think anything in my original post represented that. What I was looking for was an answer to if any manufacturers, including manufacturers that supply law enforcement and military, offer a discount. I don't feel that it is outside the realm of possibility that a company that supplies work firearms to the military or law enforcement might produce a decent sporting firearm and maybe even offer a discount to military.

BarryD,

I don't know if you read my post wrong or if I was being unclear. I completely understand that a cheaper firearm will typically not be as good of quality as the more expensive but that is not what I was asking, so I'll try to clarify what my question was. I get my GLOCK handguns for a great price (cheaper than handguns that are a lot less quality than GLOCK) so I am interested in finding a manufacturer that may do the same with sporting rifles. Also, I do not plan on shooting as much as you obviously do since you feel the need to have a better quality firarm. I have read where lesser quality firearms last thousands and thousands of rounds, which is more than I will shoot, and less than you shoot (my assumption, sorry if I am wrong) so your needs and my needs are somewhat different. I understand your opinion on value priced rifles, not what I was asking though.

albanygun,

I didn't even think about the PX. Mine doesn't sell firearms, but I'm pretty close to another one that does. Also, I am looking around at used ones, but if I find a program that allows me to get a new one for around the same price that I could get one used, I would much prefer that for obvious reasons. It seems like most of the people that I've seen that are selling shotguns want next to new prices for them (at least on the ones that start out anywhere close to my price range).

drsfmd,

That's not why GLOCK has their Blue Label program. albanygun's response after yours is the actual reason. Which is also why a lot of other places offer discounts to law enforcement and military. Right now, Smith & Wesson offers $100 mail in rebate on AR-15's in what they call the "Nation's Finest" program and I don't know of any of our M4's being made my S&W.

-One last note, allow me to reiterate the meaning of my original post to avoid unneccessary responses. I am not in search of your opinion on shotguns, I am intelligent enough to do research and find something that will fit me and be in my budget, regardless of whether you think it is junk or not. I am interested in if you are able to answer the question that I posted in my initial post. Is there a "Blue Label" type program from any manufacturer for sporting shotguns? From the responses that I have gotten so far, it seems that such a program does not exist, and that is fine because at least that answers my question.

 

Get a condor, you'll love it.

 

i wish police etc... got a discount on guns here......

i would recommend a Baikal, they are cheap, not flash but very industrial and work well.....................might be the sort of gun your after

 

I'm a hard working American senior citizen, I shouldn't have to pay the going rate for shotguns either. I can get a discount on my bean burrito at Taco Bell, why not on a decent shotgun? After all I've sacrificed for years to pay taxes so the military can buy $600 toilet seats.

 

Arrrrgh-- Back in the early '50s during the Korean Conflict, I was in the Marines, and I went to Japan on R&R. Had lots of bucks with me, as we were "letting it ride on the books".

I went to a PX in Japan which had a supply of guns on hand, 1 of each model, and ordered the shotgun and rifle of my choice after handling 'em to be assured of fit - no tax, no shipping, and at manufacturer's build price. (It was just under 2/3 of retail cost). I didn't receive them then, as they were factory ordered, and shipped to my home directly from the factory.....

A very good deal, and no complaints. Check out military policy now. I am sure some of it has changed, but they still must give similar breaks to the troops.

 

OP - try looking at a used better quality gun for the same money, or at least the Lanber from CDNN

 

I've repped the police in lawsuits and never lost a case (at least one of those).

I think I , too , should get a discount (but I'm not holding my breath). :wink:

 

If you are wanting an O/U to enjoy it's advantages, a Stoeger won't do it. If you are wanting an O/U so the other guys will be impressed, again a Stoeger really won't do that either. I have owned Stoegers. They do make a simple SxS, the Uplander, with 2 triggers and extractors, that works. They also make some repeaters that appear to work. That is all in my opinion.

 

Shane Huskey-I have owned a Stoeger Condor. It worked. Then I picked up a quality o/u and opened and closed it once. I sold my Condor the next week. The Condor is an o/u in looks only. You should really check out nearly any other gun before you spend your hard earned money on a gun you will not be satisfied with.

 

The problem is that the resale on a Stoeger is not exactly good...

Buy once, cry once, as they say. If you go too cheap the first time around, you will buy twice, so you'll spend the money anyway, plus you'll be out the depreciation on the first gun.

We've all done it. You can believe us, or not. Your choice.

I'm not telling you to buy a Krieghoff. I don't have one either.

 

Cheap O/U, Yildiz.
Quality O/U, Beretta used.

 

If I were to buy a cheap O/U I would sure as hell make sure the maker would back it up with a good warranty and service.Therefore I would buy a Tristar.It is no improvement over the Stoeger but having the experience of friends that have owned both and watching both guns have major mechanical breakdowns Tristar wins hands down.The friend with the Tristar got a 5 year warranty and each time the gun broke down he was able to send it in and have it cheerfully repaired and returned at no charge within 2 weeks.The fellow with the Stoeger however had the forearm wood come completely off the hardware making the gun unusable. His gun was only a couple of years old but the warranty had expired setting him up for an expensive repair.

 

This thread is in no way related to the original post question or the thread topic. The original question was "Does anyone know of a 'Blue Label' type program similar to what GLOCK offers on their handguns that applies to sporting shotguns?" This thread almost immediately transformed into a "You have to spend a lot on a shotgun or it is junk." There are already plenty of threads on here where shotgun snobs can voice their opinion, but this isn't one of them. The idea of a forum is for people to have a place to ask questions and hopefully get an answer, not for the same people over and over to voice the same opinion in every thread, regardless of whether or not it applies to the topic of the thread. I get it, you think I should buy a more expensive shotgun. But as I said before, that's not what I asked. The question I asked has absolutely nothing to do with your opinion, or anyone elses. It is a Yes/No question. Some people, who actually read the question obviously, have said that they aren't aware of any program along those lines in existance, thank you for your response. If anyone ends up finding one, this would be the place to let us know. What this is not is a place for your shotgun brand opinion.

 

shane: No need to get your feelings hurt. The advice about el cheapo U/O's is based on vast experience. In fact , it's news when one of these cheapos holds up.

And they have no cache' . Really-- no one is going to oo and aa over one of these guns.

You sound like someone w/ an entitlement mentality....I hope you aren't b/c that's not a strong start for the gun sports.

 

shane: No need to get your feelings hurt. The advice about el cheapo U/O's is based on vast experience. In fact , it's news when one of these cheapos holds up.

And they have no cache' . Really-- no one is going to oo and aa over one of these guns.

You sound like someone w/ an entitlement mentality....I hope you aren't b/c that's not a strong start for the gun sports.

I stated 3 times that I wasn't here for advise on what shotgun to buy and that I was simply asking a Yes/No question. My last post was pointing out ineptitude and snobbiness among some of the people that had responded not to mention obvious illiteracy. I'm not buying a shotgun to sit in a rack, so I'm not looking for the "OOH's and AAH's" that you may be looking for. I asked a simple question, was replied to with responses that had nothing to do with anything that I asked, so I pointed it out. As for the entitlement mentality, I'm not sure how you deduced enough from my responses to assume that, but I guess prejudice is running pretty rampant here, so it is right in line.

 

IMHO, you should have stopped after your first paragraph in your original posting if all you wanted to know is where to get a discounted gun.