[GermanGuy]

From what I understand, any kind of solvent, like Hoppe's, is likely to harm O-rings and seals. I've never experienced this happening, but that's probably because I never tried. A little bit of oil on a cleaning patch is advised to get rid of gunk. Remember, there is no gun powder to remove, so you can be rather gentle with your cleaning procedure.

 

[Bladeswitcher]

Fellow Airheads, this manual says "after 100 rounds place a drop of oil down the barrel." However the Pelgun oil says not to use in break action pellet guns. Mainly i hear because there are O rings in there that could be dissolved by the oil . Does this matter just for that one drop in the barrel?
My dad recommended i find Crossman RMC Oil -which is some rare stuff.
I was looking at this Gamo Cleaning kit that had some oil in it that seemed to be good for inside and outside cleaning but i wasn't exactly sure.
http://www.overtons.com/modperl/product ... 3134353636

What do you recommend?

Goo Gone for cleaning barrels. Nothing added to the chamber. A little moly paste on the pivot points.

 

[CBLindsay]

I found my barrel to be quite dirty, taking many patches to get clean. And cleaning my sons nitropiston after around 200 rounds I found an enormous amount of gunk, most of which was pushed out with the first patch or two. As I understand it, this gunk is typically residue from the air chamber (which would mean adding lube tot he chamber would lead to more gunk down the road?) and is typically not corrosive, just screws up accuracy.

I have heard of people using all sorts of oils and solvents to clean the barrel and or lube some part of the gun or chamber. Some manufacturers will expressly state that no lube is needed or recommended in the air chamber, others will expressly state that some specific lube is required to keep the seals in good shape. I think most agree that petroleum based oils (like pelgun oil) will or might degrade rubber seals. Rather than comment on the types of seals used and all the lubricating properties needed or not needed (because I simply don't have enough knowledge), I would tend to defer to either the specific manufacturer or trusted folks on this forum.

About all I can really confirm is that a even a small amount of residue from petroleum based products will combust (diesel) under the extreme pressures associated with these high powered air guns and THAT can definitely ruin seals, fowl barrels and possibly injure someone.

 

[DogWontHUNT]

Here we go -got the new scope in and mounted and looked for great results which were just not there. Target is out about 30 yards. This puppy was all over the place. 3 inches right, 2 inches low and left , bullseye, back low and right , next shot back high and right. We even had the luxury of having a captain from the Army who shoots many rifles with us and we were all flumoxed. It really didnt matter where you adjusted the scope the shots just went everywhere. the view through the scope is great though. Anyway we are hoping it is the Ammo (even though it was expensive) or perhaps the use of the drop of oil. I have read reviews that say the ammo makes a huge amount of difference. I am hoping.

 

[CBLindsay]

Best Pellets I have found are the Crosman Premier HP. My son has been using the Crosman Premier Wadcutter with great success. In the .177, the Crosman Premier Ultra Mag dome seems to fit so tightly that shot consistency suffers. I have been using some sort of destroyer pellet (not sure the brand) that has done well enough.

 

[DogWontHUNT]

i got the recommended Crosman RMC Oil and some Diablo Exact RS pellets. I read some good reviews on them and going to give em a whirl. dude at the gun shop says these guns are not really designed for accuracy at 30-40 yards best you can really hope for is maybe a 3 inch circle grouping. His quote was "these guns aren't .22's"
Maybe he is right but i am hoping not...

 

[IheartShotguns]

reading Bladeswitcher's posts and doing more research it seems like some air guns have the potential to be _more_ accurate than 22's (at shorter ranges)! Do I have the wrong impression, does anyone have data either way?

 

[DogWontHUNT]

Just got word from west Tx:
Received the pellets and RMCOIL today and put a drop of oil into the compression chamber and fired one the JSB Match Diabolo EXACT RS Diabolo pellets. It was extremely loud. Birds flew off cow lot to North.
The owner's manual states to use only Crossman and Benjamin branded pellets.
The Superpoint Extra field line that we have shooting weigh 0,53 g./8,2 gr. The RS Diabolo weigh o,475 g./7,33 gr.; which are lighter, thus the loud report.
Crossman or Benjamin branded pellets weigh 0,53 g./8,2 gr

I guess i will be trying those next -spending about $17 for a can of pellets is getting expensive.

 

[Bladeswitcher]

Just got word from west Tx:
Received the pellets and RMCOIL today and put a drop of oil into the compression chamber and fired one the JSB Match Diabolo EXACT RS Diabolo pellets. It was extremely loud. Birds flew off cow lot to North.
The owner's manual states to use only Crossman and Benjamin branded pellets.
The Superpoint Extra field line that we have shooting weigh 0,53 g./8,2 gr. The RS Diabolo weigh o,475 g./7,33 gr.; which are lighter, thus the loud report.
Crossman or Benjamin branded pellets weigh 0,53 g./8,2 gr

I guess i will be trying those next -spending about $17 for a can of pellets is getting expensive.

THat loud noise was the detonation of the oil that you placed into the compression chamber. Don't do that.

 

[DogWontHUNT]

Good news! My dad got in the Crosman Hollowpoints and now this puppy is driving nails! It seemed to really matter how tight the pellet was seating. These are very tight. Happy with these pellets for sure.

 

[CBLindsay]

Yeah, the Crosman Hollowpoints work great! I bought a tin of the Crosman DOMED super mags and they fit even tighter but seemed to have been more difficult to get to group. Switched back to the HP's .

 

[DogWontHUNT]

Looking forward to getting out to W Tx and some good pellet plinking...

 

[Ruber]

We need more airgun....

I'll use airguns pretty frequently for pest control, so I kinda have favorites for this or for that depending depending on conditions. Among them are a 1077 with a red dot sight for handy small critter getter, a Benjamin Sheridan EB22 for more opportunistic settings, and my favorite- a Crosman 160 with a peep sight. Did I mention I like CO2 guns??

The 160 seems to work best with the heavier pellets and can pack a thumping for a fun little CO2 rifle, and it is plenty accurate for the job.

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[DogWontHUNT]

What are you irradicating? Mainly i ask to see how effective the pellets are (velocity)on those Co2 guns.
That Gun we have have puts the hurt on Eurasian collard doves at about40-50 yards out. That's pretty damn good
I like that Peep sight idea -seems like less can go wrong and possible easier to mount and sight in-maybe?! Good looking gun Ruber.

 

[Bladeswitcher]

The Crosman 160 is a cool rifle. The military used to supply them to Junior ROTC programs and a bunch of surplus specimens came through CMP a few years ago. They're accurate little buggers and easy to convert to bulk fill. There are two versions of the 160. One of them has an adjustable trigger. There's also a very successful Chinese copy that is a favorite of tinkerers.

You're going to get about 500 fps with .22 pellets, IIRC. There is only so much energy a Co2 rifle can produce . . . something about the temperature at which the Co2 gas turns to liquid or some such. Sorry, science isn't my strong suite. Anyway, the laws of physics limit the power of a Co2 gun.

BTW, you don't have to run the Crosman 160 on two powerlets. You can put in one spent powerlet and one good one. You'll get just as much power, but fewer shots. Also, as mentioned, there's a simple cap available that allows you to fill the guns from a paintball tank or other Co2 source. Any of them can be resealed for about $40 if you ever run across one that doesn't hold gas (that's true of almost any old Crosman Co2 gun, btw).

And yes, that Crosman 331 rear sight is a lovely thing. Nice fine adjustments and well made. It's perfect for the rifle. The gun also was supplied with a buckhorn sight but usually you see the target version with the micrometer peep.

 

[Ruber]

My 160 came from CMP and was "new old stock" and showed it. The cosmoline was pretty thick and tacky, like those surplus Mosin Nagants. But a decent cleaning revealed a pristine gun. My first shots were about 480 fps with the 14 gr pointed Crosman pellets. Replacing the seals and thorough valve cleaning got the velocity up to about 530.

It became my son's intro to target shooting until he got into a CZ 452 Scout, then he worked up his own 10/22. So I inherited the 160 and did the Archer valve and seal upgrade to get 600+ fps.

It is now a good thumper for small critters up to 2-3 lb (fox squirrels, Norwegian rats, large bullfrogs...). Lots of these small animals have been introduced in our area, are subsidized in the urban setting, and encroach on rural areas where they become problematic.

The muzzle blast is quite a bit more now too, I think my CZ 452 UL with the 28" barrel is actually quieter when used with subsonics.

The 1077 is pretty fun but comes nowhere close to the energy or accuracy of the 160. But it's good for a first run at an infested area where we have lots of quick close range shots.

 

[Ruber]

I like that Peep sight idea -seems like less can go wrong and possible easier to mount and sight in-maybe?!

Big thing for me is lack of parallax and focus. I might be going after something 10' back in an undercut or 50' out in the open. I'll use a red dot too, but find I'm more consistent with the peep (I think distance to the bore makes a difference there). Some shots can be like threading a needle and I'm not effective at that with a large scope mounted higher on the gun.

I've tried mounting the NEGC rear peeps to get even lower, but had a hard time pushing a square peg into a round hole...

 

[arend003]

MY RWS 350M is as noisy as a 22lr I think most springers are this way not sue about the Gamo Whisper Don't use the RWS any more as it is loud and heavy, just a safe queen now.

 

[Bladeswitcher]

MY RWS 350M is as noisy as a 22lr I think most springers are this way not sue about the Gamo Whisper Don't use the RWS any more as it is loud and heavy, just a safe queen now.

While magnum-class springers are certainly louder than less powerful guns, I bet your 350 is not as loud as you think. Use a proper (read: heavy) pellet and have a buddy fire the gun. You stand 10-15 feet away. You may find that what you're hearing when you fire the gun is just spring noise and it seems louder since it's right next to your ear when you pull the trigger. Standing across the yard, they're not that loud. Now, if you've been putting oil in the chamber, then all bets are off. When an air rifle diesels it sounds like, well, a rifle shot . . .

The Crosman 160 discussed in the previous couple of posts is a loud sumagun though. All Co2 and PCP guns are loud unless fitted with some sort of moderator. Spring guns, not so much. BTW, the Gamo Whisper is a marketing gimmick. The "silencer" doesn't reduce spring noise and it's the spring, not the muzzle, that makes the most noise on a spring gun.

 

[mailman]

Finally got around to setting up my outdoor range. Made the shooting bench from some scrap lumber and some leftover indoor/outdoor carpet. It's set here on my sun porch, and with those blinds drawn I'm completely out of sight from the neighbors (they're not a problem anyhow). With the silent pellet trap I made sitting on the cross-brace of my shed door I've got a perfect 10 meter range. I can turn that TV in the first picture and watch while I shoot. I broke the range in last Sunday morning while I watched Rory snag the Open Championship. Football season could be really fun this year!

It's gonna push 90* today so I'might not do much plinkin'. Even with the blinds down that sun porch can really demo how the 'greenhouse effect' works....................the Mailman