This day and age when somebody laughs at a firearm just because of where it's made might mean they haven't done the research... turkey actually make some very good firearms and some basically junk. learning the difference is up to the buyer.. you know America is the same way they make some really good firearms and some pretty much junk..

I 100% understand wanting to buy American and keep everything America but sometimes that is just impractical in this day and age.

 

I own 4 Turkish guns.

One m2000 has probably 10k rounds through it. I gouged the inside of the aluminum receiver and it started jamming occasionally but didn't have problems prior to the gouge.

A Dehaan sxs with about 6k rounds through it with zero problems.

A cz sharptail with about 1k through it with no problems.

A second m2000 bought used with a low round count.

I currently also own ithaca, mosberg, browning and benelli. I have owned others in the past too.

They are what they are but inherently bad is not how I would describe Turkish guns. I can easily afford expensive guns, but when I am beating the crap out of my guns following my dogs over lava rock it is nice to not feel guilty about the scratches.

 

There are good and bad Turkish guns, just like anywhere else.

They are made to a price point. If you don’t like them you don’t, and if you do you do.

 

I own 3 Yildiz O/U shotguns....... And Tristar Viper in 410.....In 8 years of shooting doves-skeet and hunting......They've never given any problems.

 

I have the Turkish Weatherby Orion. Very nice gun. I had Canik pistol that I wish I had never sold. Its not all junk like it was years ago.

 

I don't have a dog in this fight since I don't own one, but the article reinforces my belief of why I don't own one.
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Belief is not based in science (or reality). This Weber guy referenced in the article didn't do a review of anything; he didn't test any guns; he didn't examine any guns; he didn't reference sourced materials; he didn't research manufacturing investment. He basically took a few talking points, mostly from naysayers, without even any anecdotal references, and said, "buyer beware."

 

I don't have a dog in this fight since I don't own one, but the article reinforces my belief of why I don't own one.

Belief is not based in science (or reality). This Weber guy referenced in the article didn't do a review of anything; he didn't test any guns; he didn't examine any guns; he didn't reference sourced materials; he didn't research manufacturing investment. He basically took a few talking points, mostly from naysayers, without even any anecdotal references, and said, "buyer beware."
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My belief comes from what I've seen at the clubs. And seeing is believing. But all the complaints here on this site aren't from Weber. Are they lying? Incompetent? Mistaken? Don't like the article, complain to him. I didn't write it, I just posted it.

 

My money won't be going to Turkey. It just plain won't. Some of my firearms are meant to possibly save my life or the life of my family. Some of my firearms are family heirlooms that are approaching 100 years old and are still in use. Some of my firearms are used for serious recreation, where they will see many thousands of rounds a year thru them. I buy quality. I don't base my purchasing decisions on price, with my fingers crossed hoping for quality. I don't knock anyone's choice, or their reasons for buying what they do, but for me, I won't buy any Turkish guns. That keeps demand and prices down for those who do. You're welcome.

 

Probably fine for shotgunning and some hunting purposes, but I wouldnt bank on one for EDC/CC or SHTF scenarios.

I have a CZ Upland Ultralight that broke the bottom firing pin at around 1k. I also have a couple of Citoris that the bottom barrel will choke on Remington STS primers with light strikes.

Pick your poison.

 

I carry a tisas 1911 as a edc. It’s ancurate, it Eat anything I feed it and keeps on functioning.. never had a problem! A lot has changed. While some Turkish guns are garbage that’s not something that can be said about all of firearms that come out of Turkey. Look at it this way if somebody came and bought one of those Saturday night, special ravens a.k.a. jam, automatic, and said all American guns are junk certainly doesn’t fit does it?.

 

I read the article. I don’t see what belief you have that is reinforced. One guy in the article said he didn't like them and had no example from actual experience. That's it. The article didn't seem negative to me.

 

Well I don't think he was singing high praise. I think he was saying you get what you pay for.
And what I see is on the field in clicks, failure feeds, top lever issues, guns won't open, guns won't close...etc, and I think this article represents that. The worst is someone going through the "break in stage" , what a scam. Skimp on refining your product to function out of the box and have the customer pay for it. 😂

 

Bunk! I've had 3 Tri Stars go through my hands, 2 twelve gauges one of which was a sporting model with adj comb and ported barrels, and one 28ga I currently have in my locker for my wife. Best bang for the buck bar none.

 

I bought a Tristar at a pawn shop for $300 so I would have something to shoot while my brand new browning was in and out of the shop. During that time, I put a few thousand rounds through that Trisar, not a single hiccup... not one!

I could not bring myself to get rid of it. I shoot my browning 90% of the time, but I keep the Tristar around as a loaner... or when I want to add 28ga sidekicks to it.

Its not as good as my browning, but its still worth owning

 

Guys who shoot the Turkish guns where I am seem to like them, mostly Weatherby Orion Sporting or Tristar Viper Sporting. They have also expressed satisfaction with their customer service.

 

Customer service and parts are the gamble. I picked up a Mossberg SA/20, Turkish and highly regarded by most. A Tristar Viper cost a third less and is the same gun. Mossberg treats the gun like they have no relation to it, in terms of service. Advice from Tristar solved my function problem nright away.

 

I still wouldn’t want to be in front of one. I won’t bank on the notion it will fail. Any firearm can destroy what’s in front of the muzzle.

 

This get so tiresome. The naysayers always refer to "Turkish" guns as though there is only one manufacturer in Turkey. There are good; there are bad. Does anyone remember Japanese cars from the 1960s? My sister bought a Toyota in 1968. It was junk. Look at Toyota now.

 

This get so tiresome. The naysayers always refer to "Turkish" guns as though there is only one manufacturer in Turkey.

Bingo-- there are many sold under names like "Winchester" and Beretta. Some are better than others, just like everything else.

 

Id take a Remington express over a Turkish gun any day and I don't like Remington express.

 

Typically when gun shopping I don't care where it's made if it's what I'm looking for. Like mentioned above the USA is just as famous as any other country for making junk. One man's junk is another's treasure. You can hold your nose at any angle you want. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

I think this hatred of Turkish guns is a bit shortsighted. When all the hardcore shotgun people are bemoaning the lack of younger shooters in all the shotgun sports out of one side of their mouths, out of the other side they are demeaning one of the main sources of affordable entry level shotguns. I'll grant the many of the importers of Turkish gun seem to work on the theory of flood the markets with affordable guns and deal with the QC problems later. I have several Turkish SXS's made by various makers and have seen varied levels of machining and hand fitting of critical parts, but overall it seems to be getting better as time goes by. The Turkish gun issues are very similar to the Spanish gun issues of the past century when anyone with an import license could buy guns of questionable quality on the cheap and make a hefty profit. I see signs of that sort of ethics correcting itself over time. The issue of younger shooters with limited budgets getting into shooting remains the main issue in my mind. If the youngster becomes serious about bird hunting or competitive shooting, he/she will naturally gravitate toward the better shotguns. Problem solved.

 

If the youngster becomes serious about bird hunting or competitive shooting, he/she will naturally gravitate toward the better shotguns. Problem solved.

Absolutely correct.

 

I have had my Turkish SxS for quite a while now, (S&W Elite Gold that became the Dickinson from Cabela's)zero issues, a joy to shoot, and it still looks great with that genuine bone and charcoal CCH

 

I remember when I was a kid, the guys from my Dad's generation had as much scorn for Japanese Brownings as they did praise for the ones made in Belgium. And yes, the emotional basis was no doubt Pearl Harbor, but that's not how they stated it; they were "junk".

I have four Yildiz from Academy and an ATA Neo. No problems out of any of them, but if I was leaning on the Yildiz HPS Sporting as my primary competition gun I'd probably keep a spare just in case. On the other hand, I wouldn't be afraid to lean on a Yildiz Pro, expecting it to be no more maintenance dependant than a quality Italian or Japanese gun.

 

Gentlemen,

As most of you already understand I am a big American and Euro Classic gun guy. However recently I have invested in some SXS & O/U Turkish guns, CZ Bob White G2, CZ Bob White G2 Intermediate, Huglu 200A, Mossberg Silver Reserve II 28/20 combo gun and the Savage Stevens 555 28 gauge, 16 & 28 Tristar Bristol Silvers. I have been very lucky so far with every Turkish made gun I have purchased, did my home work before purchasing and have had no problems with any of the guns, they get use in our gun dog training business, hunting and shooting Clays. Every gun I purchased has over 3000 shells run thru it, except for the CZ 20 Gauge intermediate which has not reached my FFL dealer yet. I know I took a big chance in purchasing these guns, they are by no means the quality guns I normally purchase, so far the gamble has payed off not one of these Turkish made guns has needed reworked in any way, I will say this the Turkish made guns have no solid butt plates available from the manufacturers, a big problem too an old Grouse hunter like myself, It's one of the big reasons I purchased the CZ 20 gauge intermediate with it's exacting 14" LOP, Nice little 20 gauge Grouse gun, that I do not have to alter for my 14"LOP.

So far the Turkish guns I have purchased are working of just fine, investigate before you purchase. The SXS Newer Turkish guns are getting the job done quite well, we will see how they all hold up longevity wise as time passes.

all the best,

Pine Creek/Dave
L.C. Smith Man

 

Glad this has worked out for you. I’m certain some Turkish companies are turning out some adequate firearms.
As for you, if it breaks down you can set it in the corner and grab another gun. What about the guy that chooses one as his primary target gun ? What are you’re thoughts ?

 

I think a lot of it comes down to how much and how often are you shooting. If you are a weekend warrior and shoot here and there - it doesn't really matter what you are shooting. Shoot what suits your budget. If you are shooting tournaments and expecting to put 5-10k+ rounds a year through a cheap Turkish gun, then you probably want to rethink that purchase. There are exceptions such as a Yildiz Pro.

The Turkish guns have their place.

 

Everything is going to break at some point.

I had two 20 gauges, a Beretta 686 and a CZ Bobwhite G2.

The Beretta failed on me at a tournament. Dead trigger, action wouldn’t open, live round in the other barrel. It finally came open after 10-15 minutes of different people messing with it. They got the live round out but the gun locked shut again when closed back up. I took it to the gunsmith at the shoot expecting to need a replacement component. “There’s nothing wrong with it.” I brought it home and sold it. I can take breakage but not ghosts in the machine.

I got a nice little trophy with the CZ a few months lather 😁

 

I have one. An S&W Elite Gold 20 gauge. A nicely made gun. Tight and trouble free. No one who looked at it and shot it could criticize it as “junk”. Got it on close out from CDNN. At the price I paid, it was a steal.
I am sure some Turkish guns are junk. But certainly not all. Just pick and choose.

 

I did the same at the urging of Bruce Buck who had bought one. I only wish I had also bought the Kimber 7 pin sidelock at the same time

 

Lets bash everything made in a foreign country. Lets start with the Ford Bronco Sport. Then there are many GM vehicles made in Mexico too numerous to list.

Even Beretta, which has a very good reputation, has a plant in Turkey.

 

Do you try to make every one of your posts political? No one is bashing anything made in a foreign country, just having an honest discussion.

 

In my opinion this debate comes up way too often. It’s like religion. You’re not going to make believers out of non-believers and vice versa. It’s a waste of time and energy. I will say that I enjoy my Brownings, Remingtons, Winchester, Mossberg and my few Turkish guns equally.

 

Cheap turkish guns are junk, just like cheap US made guns. Most guns imported from turkey are cheap. You do the math.