They both seem to work. Which feels best to you, and do you prefer American or Turkish ?

 

They both seem to work. Which feels best to you, and do you prefer American or Turkish ?

I like them both. As always, I prefer made in the USA. However, I'm wondering what would be best for my usage. I shoot trap, skeet, and rabbits. Maybe 600-700 rounds a year and hunt pheasants and grouse. Is there any difference in how long these guns will hold up?

 

Hi,

At that rate of use, you most likely be unable to wear either gun out. The Remington does come with a lifetime warranty if that matters to you.

Choose which ever gun feels the best to you. And that fits your wallet the best.

dalee

 

Thank you for the replies. I am leaning toward the V3 and will more than likely go with the walnut version. I'm going to check out all that I can at the "Great American Outdoor Show" in Harrisburg, PA early next month. I love that show. I'll let you know how I make out.

 

They both seem to work. Which feels best to you, and do you prefer American or Turkish ?

Last I checked the Winchester SX3 and Browning Maxus were assembled in FN Herstal's Viana, Portugal facility. Did that change with the SX4?

 

They both seem to work. Which feels best to you, and do you prefer American or Turkish ?

Which one of these two is made in Turkey?

I am curious just for the sake of knowledge. Not being critical, judgmental, or making a statement.

I own some made in America classics, Belgian Browning, Beretta, and have had top notch Japanese quality guns and currently own a recently manufactured CZ to boot.

 

They both seem to work. Which feels best to you, and do you prefer American or Turkish ?

Last I checked the Winchester SX3 and Browning Maxus were assembled in FN Herstal's Viana, Portugal facility. Did that change with the SX4?

Nope they are still being put together in the Viana plant .

 

Assembled does not equal "Made", does it ? Doesn't matter to me as the Turks have proven they can build a decent gun to me.

 

With the V3, you get the most modern and innovative operating system at this price point, and a gun made in the USA. The downside to the V3 lies in overall weight (compared to the SX4), generic aesthetics, and less lively feel.

The SX4 is merely an updated SX3, using the same old gas system as the Browning Gold/Silver, and the Winchester SX2 and SX3. The updates are all ergonomic. Collectively, these updates make for a slimmer, lighter and livelier gun than the predecessor.

I personally chose the SX4. My local shop had a couple in stock last week, and they just felt great. Compared to the SX3, the A300 and the V3; the SX4 is slimmer, the oversized controls and trigger guard are easier for me to use, and the gun just seems to have more inherent quality and attention to detail than anything else in the price range.

I live out west, hunt upland birds exclusively, and tend to choose light guns that are easier to carry all day and are quick to mount and shoot. If I were a waterfowl hunter, I may have chosen the V3 or Versamax.

 

With the V3, you get the most modern and innovative operating system at this price point, and a gun made in the USA. The downside to the V3 lies in overall weight (compared to the SX4), generic aesthetics, and less lively feel.

The SX4 is merely an updated SX3, using the same old gas system as the Browning Gold/Silver, and the Winchester SX2 and SX3. The updates are all ergonomic. Collectively, these updates make for a slimmer, lighter and livelier gun than the predecessor.

I personally chose the SX4. My local shop had a couple in stock last week, and they just felt great. Compared to the SX3, the A300 and the V3; the SX4 is slimmer, the oversized controls and trigger guard are easier for me to use, and the gun just seems to have more inherent quality and attention to detail than anything else in the price range.

I live out west, hunt upland birds exclusively, and tend to choose light guns that are easier to carry all day and are quick to mount and shoot. If I were a waterfowl hunter, I may have chosen the V3 or Versamax.

I really am in the middle with these two. I am one of those people whom like innovation. I however have been disappointed by the latest and greatest it in the past. How you ask?

New designs need bugs worked out and sometimes by new parts. New parts need to be manufactured (and perfected) and that takes time and patience. (Especially on new products) Often I find that refinement is only found after product success and not in initial products offerings.

I guess after all of that, my two questions are:
1.) Given the SX4 is more refined, how good is its relatively dated (1990's) gas system?
2.) Did Remington get it right on the first try?
3.) Which is more gun for the money?

I don't have money to purchase these things regularly... Just trying to make the $$$ count and get it right. It may come down to the old mattress test of "just tell me what feels right"... lol

 

Assembled does not equal "Made", does it ?

So now you're saying that the SX4 is made of Turkish parts? What % of it? Do you have inside knowledge of FN Herstal's parts sourcing for the Maxus and SX4?

I bet not.

 

Maybe 600-700 rounds a year

At that rate just about any decently made gun will last you a lifetime. My personal choice would be neither. If I were in your shoes I'd buy a Beretta A300 and call it good.

 

Assembled does not equal "Made", does it ?

So now you're saying that the SX4 is made of Turkish parts? What % of it? Do you have inside knowledge of FN Herstal's parts sourcing for the Maxus and SX4?

I bet not.

I went to Winchester's website and found this about the production of the SX3.

"Super X3 Autoloading Shotgun (SX3).
The Super X3 autoloader is the latest in the line of shotguns having their roots in the original Super X Model One, although mechanically the similarities are very vague compared to the original. The Super X3 action is more directly related to the Super X2 introduced in 1999. Both the Super X2 and the newer Super X3 are made at our partner factory in Belgium, with additional assembly work done in our Portugal plant. In the gun industry "Made in Belgium" quality is legendary -- and you can see it in every part, every fit and every finish of the Winchester Super X3."

http://www.winchesterguns.com/support/f ... tured.html

Don't know about the SX4.

 

I just called Winchester/Browning. The new SX4 is made in the same plant in Belgium and assembled in Portugal.

 

I will be interested to see how many times will we read that the SX4 is a Turkish gun since one poster came up with a totally unsubstantiated claim. These things die hard on this site!

 

I will be interested to see how many times will we read that the SX4 is a Turkish gun since one poster came up with a totally unsubstantiated claim. These things die hard on this site!

It does say in the specs that it has Turkish Walnut, but that's only the wood, and I trust what Winchester told me directly..

 

Degle, please let us know your opinion of the SX4 when you've had a chance to shoot the gun. If it is anything like the SX3 in reliability I think you will be very pleased.

 

Sorry, I guess I was thinking of the pump.

 

Sorry, I guess I was thinking of the pump.

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I really am in the middle with these two. I am one of those people whom like innovation. I however have been disappointed by the latest and greatest it in the past. How you ask?

New designs need bugs worked out and sometimes by new parts. New parts need to be manufactured (and perfected) and that takes time and patience. (Especially on new
products) Often I find that refinement is only found after product success and not in initial products offerings.

I guess after all of that, my two questions are:
1.) Given the SX4 is more refined, how good is its relatively dated (1990's) gas system?
2.) Did Remington get it right on the first try?
3.) Which is more gun for the money?

I don't have money to purchase these things regularly... Just trying to make the $$$ count and get it right. It may come down to the old mattress test of "just tell me what feels right"... lol

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In this case you could say Remington got it right on the first try however it really isn't.. Its the same platform the used on the versa max which came out in 2010. Back then, there were a few bugs which got worked out. everyone who had the original ones got the updated parts as well. They took a lot of time with the V3 so as to come out with the best they could out of the gate.
The beauty is with the lifetime warranty there is nothing to ever worry about. To be honest, I sent my versa max back after 7 years because I had a piston which looked like it was peening. They asked me to send it back at my expense ($20). After a few emails they decided to give me a brand new barrel. Who would do that with an out of warranty gun!
I love my Versa max but must say, the V3 is lighter with a better trigger and is very reliable with very little that can go wrong with many rounds between cleanings.
when I got the versa max, I didn't clean it for over a year shooting a flat a week because the advertised that it could do it...it did with no failures. I cleaned it because I felt bad for it

I have sold my Benelli super vinci and Beretta 391 xtrema2 after owning these 2 remingtons and couldn't be happier...used the extra money to buy a whole bunch of ammo (more than 12 flats)

You will never regret the purchase of a V3...do a google search to see its great reviews for it. Also Randy wakeman has reviewed it on this forum, youtube, his webpage. They sell out fast around here and stores cant keep them on the shelves.

I chose the camo for the extra layer of protection against weather and scratches which was more important than the look of wood for me.

 

You really can't go wrong. The SX3 is proven to be one of the worlds most reliable gas auto shotgun and having owned a Versamax I have no doubt the V3 will be extremely reliable. I would pick the ones that feels the best to you.

 

Why not buy American

 

Remington V3 and the new SX4.

The SX4 is not a disaster, but with a heavy trigger, weak feeding, no warranty, etc., it is a very hard shotgun to love.

 

Remington V3 and the new SX4.

The SX4 is not a disaster, but with a heavy trigger, weak feeding, no warranty, etc., it is a very hard shotgun to love.

Did the Browning guy say when the Citori CXT would be available?

 

Did the Browning guy say when the Citori CXT would be available?

No.