Well done Sir.

 

I thought I had found plastic shot cups on the ground after shooting the Super X bu the ones I have are pretty old and didn't come from a 15rd pack. I also may just need to step away from the crack pipe. When I tested them I got a little bit tighter and more regular patterns from the Super X than I did from the green ones. Unfortunately I didn't have my camera when I shot the green stuff as it was an impromptu "hey let's shoot this stuff". The military stuff also recoiled a little more than the Super X that I have. Perhaps the slightly better patterns are from a lower velocity. Perhaps I still need to step away from the crack pipe.

Thanks for the comparison. Very informative.

 

But johnny, you're not the same person when you're sober...

 

Posted in the other thread too, but thanks for posting this.

 

I bought a box of that military stuff buckshot once to see how it did, but unfortunately I never got to test it because me and my bro used it (along with several boxes of #4 buck) to kill fruit and cheap canned baked beans. But I will say it is a huge ripoff. I can buy a box of Federal powershok buck (appears the same as as vital shok, but not plated) for $4.60, or a box of the military stuff for $5.50. It seems your paying for the "coolness" of mil-spec camo ammo.

 

I thought we already established..

The green ones are environmentally friendly. I stay away from them.

 

thanks for that info i have been eye balling those mill spec shells.
so you recommend rem express 00 buck for a cheap round for practice and even HD maybe
what would you guys recommend for a premium 00 buck round for the ultimate HD and doomsday round, something you could trust your life to and go to combat with?

 

Any of the Flite Control loads.
For practice, birdshot.
I would not use cheap as a qualifier for HD.

 

after a bit of looking around on federal's website only their PD 00buck rounds have FC. so im guessing those are the shells

also what to look for in a slug for a cylinder bore HD type shotgun? rifled slugs? tight patterning to 75-100 yards would be ideal.

 

Any of the Flite Control loads.
For practice, birdshot.
I would not use cheap as a qualifier for HD.

All this.

I also use the Winchester Super X buckshot for practice because I was given a big load of it

 

But johnny, you're not the same person when you're sober...

That last word in your post........ I'm unfamiliar with it.

 

Well done.

Just as expected.

 

I've also did a comparison on ar15.com of the Remington Express since its my favorite "cheap" 00 buckshot load. Plus I was curious if Remington has cheapened it like Winchester did the Super-X line.

Remington has always advertised that their 00 buckshot has carried the Power Piston Wad, but the other Express buckshot loads have not (#4, #1, #0).

However since Winchester has cheapened the Super-X line, lets see if Remington has done the same to the Express line. Plus since they updated their website, it doesn't say anything about the Power Piston wad anymore. This was bought a couple months ago, so its still new production.

Nope, it seems that Remington has still kept their Power Piston Wad, buffering, and their crimp is much harder to open compared to the Winchester. Of course, the lead is unplated.

The lead is softer than the Federal, but it was a bit harder to crush compared to the Super-X.

Since the Remington Express usually sells for $1 more per Value Pack than Super-X, I'd be more inclined to buy it instead for cheap 00 buckshot. I've found it patterns better than Super-X..... not much better, but enough to justify the added expense.

 

Well done.

Just as expected.

Thanks O_P.

Even though my presentation is far behind your level of excellence.

 

Thanks for this, you spared me the expense of testing out the winchester military stuff. Strange thing is the Super X stuff patterns tighter than the remington in my 870, 500 and 930. The hulls are weaker as you mentioned. In my new 930 with a new choate extension they would crimp along the edge of the hull and place a slight cant on the shell making them hard to feed manually.

I will be testing and patterning again this weekend.

Your presentation was awesome. Is that a tactical paper towel?

 

also what to look for in a slug for a cylinder bore HD type shotgun? rifled slugs? tight patterning to 75-100 yards would be ideal.

Best thing is to try different brands in your gun. Brennekes seem to work well for some folks. But tight patterns at 100 yards with a smoothbore is ambitious.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot46_4.htm

 

I just realized: you have to dispose of that powder from those shells! Here's what I did. I put powder from one shell on a piece of aluminum foil, and set that in the bathroom sink. My cat got curious and decided to watch from the counter next the sink. I put a match to it, the powder burns in a huge fast bright flame, burning a hole hough the foil and absolutely scaring the **** out of my cat (he still is a very brave cat though). Have fun!

 

I can see that ONCE AGAIN I have to be the voice of reason around here. That gunpowder is actually a very good fertilizer. Just spread it on your lawn and it really healthies up the grass.

 

As I understand it, premium Buckshot that sits in a shot cup is not "00" at all but actually the next smaller size, "0" so that it will still fit in the shell because the sleeve of the shot cup takes up a little more room.

Everything is a trade off.

 

The military stuff also recoiled a little more than the Super X that I have. Perhaps the slightly better patterns are from a lower velocity. Perhaps I still need to step away from the crack pipe.

They both contained the same type of powder, but I don't have a powder scale since I don't reload. So I couldn't measure it accurately, just had to eyeball it.

However, they are both listed at 1,325FPS so I would imagine the amount of powder should be the same.

 

Was the 15 pack one that you got from Walmart or from another source?

 

Was the 15 pack one that you got from Walmart or from another source?

Yes

There are other retailers that carry the 15 shell pack, but its mostly a Wal-Mart thing.

 

I ask because I was thinking that the shells might be made that way for Walmart to meet a price point. Like their bulk pack Winchester birdshot. Maybe a 5 pack at another store would actually have a wad. I have seen the 15 pack of 00 Winchester at other stores and wonder if they are different. I usually get my slugs (cheapest Winchester) from Walmart because they are cheap and I just shoot them informally so now I am wondering if they are the same as ones I have gotten elsewhere. For the slugs, I really don't care because I think for me it is all the same for target shooting in the desert. I blindly just get either Federal or Hornady buckshot for the flite control wads so I am just wondering aloud.

 

I would say its very unlikely that the Wal-Mart 15-round packs are special run with cardboard wads, especially since this Military buckshot is using the same stuff. Plus Winchester shells are notorious for using cheaper components.

Since Super-X is the "Value Line" of Winchester ammo, I imagine they are just using plastic shotcups on the Supreme, Ranger, and AA shells these days.

 

i was watching Lock N Load on the history channel and they had a shotgun special. towards the end of the episode they went to an army fort and they were using a mossberg 500 and a benelli semi auto (i forget the model) and they were sadly using those Winchester Mill spec rounds
(as i could tell by the color)