I hope you have good dental insurance and a good orthopedic doctor. Better breaks have more to do with centering the target than velocity.

 

Too much recoil!

 

Way far to much pop for me!

 

Way far to much pop for me!

Me too.

 

They kick like a rented mule on steroids.

 

The Winchester Supersports are great shells! They pattern great, and will crush birds a long way away. That being said, my favorite and "Go to" load is the Winchester Xtra-Light. The 1 oz. load at 1180 will crush targets just as hard, just as far way, and are very forgiving on the old surgically repaired shoulders. They pattern great and are cheaper than many of the "Premium" shells, before the Winchester rebate. I avoid the recoil, don't need all of that to break a clay target. YMMV.
Mike

 

Great shell, destroy targets. I feel they do open up a tad, but not really enough to make much difference in total pattern over the 1290 version, and the 1290's are so much more comfortable to shoot. I definitely feel they are a superior load to the Fio SD's. (I also like and prefer the subgauge supersports @ 1300.)

 

I like them for Fitasc when I can get them. Light on recoil.

 

Those shooters that lend an ear to science, Dr. A.C. Jones and Neil Winston's work regarding the higher velocity loads, don't show SIGNIFICANT differences in pattern spread but I don't think the AA 1 oz. @ 1350 fps. was in the test group.

Last Sunday at sporting clays, we had a 60 yd. looping teal that really resembled a crosser. We did a test with a Perazzi fixed choke gun using the .022 barrel. The shells were AA Heavy Target 1 1/8 oz. 7 1/2 @ 1200 fps., AA Super HDCP 1 1/8 oz. 7 1/2 @ 1250 fps., AA Super Sporting 1 1/8 oz. 7 1/2 @ 1300 fps. and the Aguila 1 1/8 oz. 7 1/2 @ 1250 fps.

In the above test, all the shells broke the target with relative ease but the best breaks was with the AA Super Sporting @ 1300 fps., which was slightly better than the HDCP and the Aguila and considerably better than the Heavy Target. Was the test scientific, hell no, but it was fun and there was a considerable recoil bump up from the AA HDCP and Aguila to the AA Super Sporting. We did feel that the Aguila produced less recoil than the AA HDCP but with similar performance.

 

Light on recoil.

:wink:

 

Those shooters that lend an ear to science, Dr. A.C. Jones and Neil Winston's work regarding the higher velocity loads, don't show SIGNIFICANT differences in pattern spread but I don't think the AA 1 oz. @ 1350 fps. was in the test group.

Last Sunday at sporting clays, we had a 60 yd. looping teal that really resembled a crosser. We did a test with a Perazzi fixed choke gun using the .022 barrel. The shells were AA Heavy Target 1 1/8 oz. 7 1/2 @ 1200 fps., AA Super HDCP 1 1/8 oz. 7 1/2 @ 1250 fps., AA Super Sporting 1 1/8 oz. 7 1/2 @ 1300 fps. and the Aguila 1 1/8 oz. 7 1/2 @ 1250 fps.

In the above test, all the shells broke the target with relative ease but the best breaks was with the AA Super Sporting @ 1300 fps., which was slightly better than the HDCP and the Aguila and considerably better than the Heavy Target. Was the test scientific, hell no, but it was fun and there was a considerable recoil bump up from the AA HDCP and Aguila to the AA Super Sporting. We did feel that the Aguila produced less recoil than the AA HDCP but with similar performance.

Now this sounds like my idea of a good time. {hs#

 

4th your test sounds far more relevant than patterning and quoting dusty old books of theory!

Did more than one shooter participate with all loads?

 

4th your test sounds far more relevant than patterning and quoting dusty old books of theory!

Did more than one shooter participate with all loads?

Yes, and the puller loaded 1 shell and the shooter didn't know until he ejected it what shell it was. Don't think that the AA Heavy Target won't consistently break a 60 yd. target with a .022 choke because it will - just not any head turning on the breaks but it was as consistent as the others.

 

You'd be hard pressed to find a 28gr/1oz load anywhere in the World that'll smash targets like the AA Super Sport. That being said I've been shooting the AA Lite Handicap 1290 for FITASC so far in 2019. Both are incredible and don't recoil bad at all. Not sure what some of these other posters normally use because the faster AA's are very comfortable to shoot.

 

You'd be hard pressed to find a 28gr/1oz load anywhere in the World that'll smash targets like the AA Super Sport. That being said I've been shooting the AA Lite Handicap 1290 for FITASC so far in 2019. Both are incredible and don't recoil bad at all. Not sure what some of these other posters normally use because the faster AA's are very comfortable to shoot.

Thanks for your comments Zach. But, also you are a pretty big man, and I was watching a video of you by Nick in the No. Central Regionals on the Main Event (congrats. on winning it) and I don't know what AA load you were shooting but your body didn't seem to be responding unnecessarily with recoil per your load, nor did I notice a recoil reducer on your gun. Can you share the load you were shooting on the Main?

 

You'd be hard pressed to find a 28gr/1oz load anywhere in the World that'll smash targets like the AA Super Sport. That being said I've been shooting the AA Lite Handicap 1290 for FITASC so far in 2019. Both are incredible and don't recoil bad at all. Not sure what some of these other posters normally use because the faster AA's are very comfortable to shoot.

Thanks for your comments Zach. But, also you are a pretty big man, and I was watching a video of you by Nick in the No. Central Regionals on the Main Event (congrats. on winning it) and I don't know what AA load you were shooting but your body didn't seem to be responding unnecessarily with recoil per your load, nor did I notice a recoil reducer on your gun. Can you share the load you were shooting on the Main?

Thank you 4th Down.

For Sporting I shoot the Super Handicap 32gr 1250fps. It's a load I've shot for a long time. I'm definitely a big guy and recoil has never been an issue with a well fit gun. Two of the Berettas I currently shoot have custom stocks by Jim Greenwood (SO5/DT11). My newest gun CDT2017 Prototype is an almost exact copy of my DT11 Greenwood stock. All 3 have Beretta's new Steelium Pro (22" forcing cone) Barrels and come in around 9 pounds. Softest shooting sporting guns I've ever owned.

 

You'd be hard pressed to find a 28gr/1oz load anywhere in the World that'll smash targets like the AA Super Sport. That being said I've been shooting the AA Lite Handicap 1290 for FITASC so far in 2019. Both are incredible and don't recoil bad at all. Not sure what some of these other posters normally use because the faster AA's are very comfortable to shoot.

Thanks for your comments Zach. But, also you are a pretty big man, and I was watching a video of you by Nick in the No. Central Regionals on the Main Event (congrats. on winning it) and I don't know what AA load you were shooting but your body didn't seem to be responding unnecessarily with recoil per your load, nor did I notice a recoil reducer on your gun. Can you share the load you were shooting on the Main?

Thank you 4th Down.

For Sporting I shoot the Super Handicap 32gr 1250fps. It's a load I've shot for a long time. I'm definitely a big guy and recoil has never been an issue with a well fit gun. Two of the Berettas I currently shoot have custom stocks by Jim Greenwood (SO5/DT11). My newest gun CDT2017 Prototype is an almost exact copy of my DT11 Greenwood stock. All 3 have Beretta's new Steelium Pro (22" forcing cone) Barrels and come in around 9 pounds. Softest shooting sporting guns I've ever owned.

Thanks Zach for the info. I see now why the video showed that your body didn't respond too much to the recoil of the AA HDCP with your size and a 9 lb. OU. I also have a Greenwood stock & fit, along with a ISIS but my gun is a little over 8lbs. I can handle the AA HDCP but only for long birds 50+ yds., but the video was amazing as it appeared you were shooting something like a 1 oz. load at no more than 1250 fps.

One last thought and I will leave you alone - It appears that Desirae is also shooting AA loads and her recoil absorption looks normal and she has to be shooting a lighter load than you, but she shoots very well. Can you tell us what load she is shooting?

 

I think those AA's kick something fierce. I am not a little guy but they are not for me.

 

Ouch!!

 

One last thought and I will leave you alone - It appears that Desirae is also shooting AA loads and her recoil absorption looks normal and she has to be shooting a lighter load than you, but she shoots very well. Can you tell us what load she is shooting?

Don't want to speak for Zach, but he may be busy with the World FITASC -- I'm pretty sure Desi is shooting the 1oz 1250 AA almost exclusively. It's a newer load from them for us here in the US.

 

So what would you buy? The 1290 or the 1350?

 

One last thought and I will leave you alone - It appears that Desirae is also shooting AA loads and her recoil absorption looks normal and she has to be shooting a lighter load than you, but she shoots very well. Can you tell us what load she is shooting?

Don't want to speak for Zach, but he may be busy with the World FITASC -- I'm pretty sure Desi is shooting the 1oz 1250 AA almost exclusively. It's a newer load from them for us here in the US.

Interesting Jack, do you know about when this load became available? Our primary sources in Texas (Academy & Able) are not carrying this load yet.

 

I haven't shot the 1350's but have always really liked that product in the 1250 and 1290 speeds. Overall product quality is very good and comfortable to shoot which helps reduce that shooting fatigue toward the end of your round or end of your shooting day.

I am just not sure that anyone really needs 1350 fps. But that is your business and not mine {hs#

 

One last thought and I will leave you alone - It appears that Desirae is also shooting AA loads and her recoil absorption looks normal and she has to be shooting a lighter load than you, but she shoots very well. Can you tell us what load she is shooting?

Don't want to speak for Zach, but he may be busy with the World FITASC -- I'm pretty sure Desi is shooting the 1oz 1250 AA almost exclusively. It's a newer load from them for us here in the US.

Interesting Jack, do you know about when this load became available? Our primary sources in Texas (Academy & Able) are not carrying this load yet.

Well... The story I heard goes something like this: Desi and Zach were invited to tour the WW ammo factory when they were both sponsored by them earlier this year. They of course asked which ammo they'd like to be supplied with. Zach chose the 1-1/8 1250 and the 1oz 1290. Desi was having difficulty deciding between the 1oz 1180 and 1290, and commented she wished they made a 1oz at 1235 or 1250. The rep pointed across the warehouse and said there's 3 palettes of them right over there -- we make them for our EU market and we're doing another run, so I'll set those aside for you. Then Zach told him they'd be really popular for sporting clay shooters here in the US -- and so now they are being distributed here. (Thank you Zach and Desi!!!) Anyway, I understand a few suppliers have them in stock, but the entire distributer pipeline has not yet been filled so it may be a few more months before they become more readily available through typical channels.

 

One last thought and I will leave you alone - It appears that Desirae is also shooting AA loads and her recoil absorption looks normal and she has to be shooting a lighter load than you, but she shoots very well. Can you tell us what load she is shooting?[/quote]

Don't want to speak for Zach, but he may be busy with the World FITASC -- I'm pretty sure Desi is shooting the 1oz 1250 AA almost exclusively. It's a newer load from them for us here in the US.[/quote]

Interesting Jack, do you know about when this load became available? Our primary sources in Texas (Academy & Able) are not carrying this load yet.[/quote]

Well... The story I heard goes something like this: Desi and Zach were invited to tour the WW ammo factory when they were both sponsored by them earlier this year. They of course asked which ammo they'd like to be supplied with. Zach chose the 1-1/8 1250 and the 1oz 1290. Desi was having difficulty deciding between the 1oz 1180 and 1290, and commented she wished they made a 1oz at 1235 or 1250. The rep pointed across the warehouse and said there's 3 palettes of them right over there -- we make them for our EU market and we're doing another run, so I'll set those aside for you. Then Zach told him they'd be really popular for sporting clay shooters here in the US -- and so now they are being distributed here. (Thank you Zach and Desi!!!) Anyway, I understand a few suppliers have them in stock, but the entire distributer pipeline has not yet been filled so it may be a few more months before they become more readily available through typical channels.[/quote]

Great story Jack - thanks. Anxious to try them when available but that AA Lite HDCP is a great load in itself.