I am considering switching from red dot to promo because of price. What are the differences. Is promo dirtier? Do they preform the same? I went on alliant's site and my recipe was the same for red dot and promo (same components and amount of powder) . If the only difference is the mess level I don't care, I'm going to clean it anyway. I'm sorry if this question has been posted a thousand times already.
Promo vs red dot
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Well, Tangarm, yours was indeed the 40th post in this remarkably informative thread... but since you didn't cast aspersions on or make uninformed guesses at the manufacturing and/or marketing practices, product quality or internal policies of a respected American company, or go off on a wild tangent about online discounters, I'm afraid it can't count.
Care to try again?
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i`m clearly making a silly assumption, but if alliant do sell promo as an industrial grade powder, and batches that hit the correct density for "red dot".... become intrgrated in the comercial product line.
Do they make smaller batches of RED flaked powder, with the same nitro content? just with a red dye in the medium? That is the same density of red dot product? (so as not to alter the density of the final Red dot (r))
i cant see them adding a different powder with a different nitro content.
what is the ratio of grey to red dots? 1:200 or less ?
Do they make smaller batches of RED flaked powder, with the same nitro content? just with a red dye in the medium? That is the same density of red dot product? (so as not to alter the density of the final Red dot (r))
i cant see them adding a different powder with a different nitro content.
what is the ratio of grey to red dots? 1:200 or less ?
About half way through my first keg of Promo. Dropped down 1 bushing size to meet Red Dot weight. No complaints shooting it in temps from 20-80 degrees. Love the economy!
The company I work for makes both commodity chemicals and products intended to be sold to the retail consumer. Strict specs are met before any shipment is made. Labeling and identifying marks (dots) could easily be added (or not) to the product in the latter stages of production.
Nice to hear from an Alliant company rep. I appreciate the insight and comments.
The company I work for makes both commodity chemicals and products intended to be sold to the retail consumer. Strict specs are met before any shipment is made. Labeling and identifying marks (dots) could easily be added (or not) to the product in the latter stages of production.
Nice to hear from an Alliant company rep. I appreciate the insight and comments.
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I saw this thread earlier in the week, but it was well answered by DrMike.
Lots of bandwidth wasted after that.
Promo(R) is produced from first quality materials.
No conspiracy here. End of story.
Thanks to our many satisfied Promo customers.
Best,
Paul
Lots of bandwidth wasted after that.
Promo(R) is produced from first quality materials.
No conspiracy here. End of story.
Thanks to our many satisfied Promo customers.
Best,
Paul
Yeah, they do. Recall rumors of Worm meal in Wendy's and Mickey D's in the 1970's and recently Taco Bell's lack of meat in it's products? People were asking for the Federal Gov to investigate and "fix" it.ricktraw said:
In black powder days it was often made with urine. People didn't worry if it was bovine or equine. People are free to eat somewhere else and use a different powder.
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They claimed they found two types of powder, a typical Alliant big flake powder and a smaller flaked powder. They found this when they were separating shot from power.Curly-Nohair said:
I love it how everyone assumes they blend the finished products to get promo. Smokeless powder did start as a liquid slurry. The tanks have to be cleaned. Its pretty easy to figure out where the overun comes from. Its cheap and works like red dot, be happy.
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Yeah, I see that... So does your $84 include HazMat fee + tax, or how does that all work out there?FF1705 said:
And where exactly are you getting it at for that price? Club, local distributor, what?
Maybe I've found my answer as to why the clubs in my area just don't carry the stuff.
So what I need to do, is see just how easy and cheap I can get the stuff for, and decide on just how much cost savings makes it worth my time/hassle to try, test, and possibly switch to Promo. Does Alliant do samples ?
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With all due respect, Moke, I really don't think Promo is for you. It is not absolutely lot-to-lot consistent in terms of density, metering, color, flake size or shape, smell, dustiness, or whatever other arcane measure you'll certainly apply to it. Knowing you and how you go at shotshell reloading... it will absolutely drive you b@tsh!t.Republican said:
Combining all of that with your well-documented dissatisfaction with Alliant, especially their (lack of) documentation and (possibly misleading) ad copy.... well, I'm just trying to head off your first stroke, know what I mean? My advice would be for you to stay away from Promo, regardless of how cheaply you might be able to get it.
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Along those lines, I have a good friend that is particular about things along with being somewhat careful with his money. At one time you could get 4 jugs of Promo for the price of 3 jugs of Clays, so we bought several jugs and split them among us. He whined incessantly about the soot remaining in his o/u barrels until I offered to buy the Promo back to shut him up. Then he just shot up the rest of the stuff until it was gone. He never got it through his head that the little bit of soot got pushed out with every shot and never accumulated. Anyway, he is now back shooting Clays and happy as a lark. At least with powder, there is a flavor for every taste.DrMike said:
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Nor is it being ADVERTISED as a clone/copy, (or that the "same bushing can be used")....dkmenefee said:
Which is the crux of my comment that Mike commented on above.
Since it is advertised as NOT being density consistent from lot-to-lot, and it's NOT being advertised as "meters the same as X", and the "same bushing can be used", and NOT being advertised as being "clean", my thinking was that these "expected" characteristics could be tolerated for real cost savings if I know these things up front.
It is when something is being advertised as X, and you get Y is when I take a dim view of a product and a company (because of it's deceitful marketing tactics), - any reader here should easily be able to understand this.
Metering and 'dust' are the unknowns that I'd also have to consider. Since I can't imagine anything metering any worse than e3 (which I am still loading by the way) which costs more than Promo, and the dust associated with Clay dot (also more expensive than Promo), how much worse can Promo be? How much dirtier than Red dot can the stuff be? (I have no more gas operated guns anymore anyhow). If you are getting a cost break, and your expectations are properly managed, my thought was that this would offset the above shortcomings.
That said, and with such managed expectations, if I could still achieve SD's less than or equal to 10-11 in my Rio/Gualandi loads, then it (Promo) might have a place on my reloading bench. Maybe not. But I'd have to try it to find out.
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